Drinen rambles about something having to do with: David Terrell


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[NOTE: the following is modified from its original form. Reader Ed Reaven correctly pointed out that my data was incomplete. This comment has been modified to reflect the corrections.]

In the Donte Stallworth comment, I outlined my reasons for reluctantly falling into line with the "never draft a rookie receiver" thinking. I was disappointed to have to resort to such drastic measures, for two reasons:

But the evidence was just too overwhelming. I had no choice.

For a moment, it depressed me to have to cross all those 22-year-old physical specimens and their 4.3 forties off my list. If winning means having a receiving corps full of Johnnie Mortons and Keenan McCardells, then I'm not sure I want to win.

But then it hit me. There's gobs of youth and upside still remaining at receiver in the form of last year's rookie washouts.

David Terrell and Koren Robinson were the 8th and 9th players picked in the 2001 NFL draft. Since 1980, there have been 23 wide receivers picked in the first ten slots of the NFL draft. Of those 23, four finished above the baseline in their rookie year. That's 17 percent. Terrell and Robinson finished 61st and 64th among WRs which, in light of the above, isn't particularly suprising.

So let's look at guys who, like Terrell and Robinson, were top-10 picks and who, also like Terrell and Robinson, had poor rookie seasons. Among top-10-drafted WRs who finished below the baseline in their rookie years, seven of 17 finished above the baseline in their second year. That's 41 percent -- better than double the rookie success rate. Even if you look at top-10-drafted WRs who were not among the top 50 in their rookie years, you'll find that 4 of those 13 (31 percent) were above the baseline in their second year.

Now, if samples this small make you nervous, I don't blame you. Also, we've made a lot of arbitrary choices here (1980, top 10, baseline, top 50, etc.), and different cutoffs might give you different results. In particular, I wish I had time to repeat this study with not just top-10-drafted WRs but with top-20 or first-round WRs. But I stopped at 10 because draft information is not currently part of my database, and thus a lot of the number-crunching has to be done by hand. Anyway, I've glued the lifetime stats of all the top-10-drafted WRs since 1980 to the bottom of this comment so you can investigate things yourself.

As for me, I've seen enough (in this study and others) that I truly believe guys like Robinson and Terrell are a better bet than any rookie WR, regardless of the situation or talent of the rookie. From glancing through mock drafts, Terrell in particular looks like a high-upside bargain for 2002.



Koren Robinson
2001 sea | 16 |   4   13  3.25  0 |  39  536 13.74  1 |  -68  64 202


David Terrell
2001 chi | 16 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  34  415 12.21  4 |  -63  61 186


Peter Warrick
2000 cin | 16 |  16  148  9.25  2 |  51  592 11.61  4 |    0  31  79
2001 cin | 16 |   8   14  1.75  0 |  70  667  9.53  1 |  -55  51 157


Plaxico Burress
2000 pit | 10 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  23  283 12.30  0 |  -82  92 239
2001 pit | 16 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  66 1008 15.27  6 |    7  25  64


Travis Taylor
2000 bal |  9 |   3   11  3.67  0 |  27  276 10.22  3 |  -63  73 214
2001 bal | 15 |   5   46  9.20  0 |  42  560 13.33  3 |  -50  50 145


Torry Holt
1999 ram | 16 |   3   25  8.33  0 |  52  788 15.15  6 |   -2  35  86
2000 ram | 16 |   2    7  3.50  0 |  82 1635 19.94  6 |   89   7  18
2001 ram | 16 |   2    0  0.00  0 |  81 1363 16.83  7 |   49   8  29


David Boston
1999 ari | 16 |   5    0  0.00  0 |  40  473 11.82  2 |  -60  67 217
2000 ari | 16 |   3    4  1.33  0 |  71 1156 16.28  7 |   47  15  38
2001 ari | 16 |   5   35  7.00  0 |  98 1598 16.31  8 |   82   3  15


Ike Hilliard
1997 nyg |  2 |   0    0  0.00  0 |   2   42 21.00  0 | -111 136 340
1998 nyg | 16 |   1    4  4.00  0 |  51  715 14.02  2 |  -39  52 134
1999 nyg | 16 |   3   16  5.33  0 |  72  996 13.83  3 |    0  32  80
2000 nyg | 14 |   3   19  6.33  0 |  55  787 14.31  8 |   18  22  58
2001 nyg | 14 |   1   21 21.00  0 |  52  659 12.67  6 |  -25  37 100


Keyshawn Johnson
1996 nyj | 14 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  63  844 13.40  8 |   16  22  54
1997 nyj | 16 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  70  963 13.76  5 |   11  23  62
1998 nyj | 16 |   2   60 30.00  1 |  83 1131 13.63 10 |   61   5  22
1999 nyj | 16 |   5    6  1.20  0 |  89 1170 13.15  8 |   45  12  33
2000 tam | 16 |   2    5  2.50  0 |  71  874 12.31  8 |   25  21  53
2001 tam | 15 |   0    0  0.00  0 | 106 1266 11.94  1 |    3  28  69


Terry Glenn
1996 nwe | 15 |   5   42  8.40  0 |  90 1132 12.58  6 |   37  14  41
1997 nwe |  9 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  27  431 15.96  2 |  -60  66 202
1998 nwe | 10 |   2   -1 -0.50  0 |  50  792 15.84  3 |  -26  41 111
1999 nwe | 14 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  69 1147 16.62  4 |   18  25  56
2000 nwe | 16 |   4   39  9.75  0 |  79  963 12.19  6 |   25  20  52
2001 nwe |  4 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  14  204 14.57  1 | -102 100 295


Michael Westbrook
1995 was | 11 |   6  114 19.00  1 |  34  522 15.35  1 |  -44  54 146
1996 was | 11 |   2    2  1.00  0 |  34  505 14.85  1 |  -59  71 213
1997 was | 13 |   3  -11 -3.67  0 |  34  559 16.44  3 |  -42  54 155
1998 was | 11 |   1   11 11.00  0 |  44  736 16.73  6 |  -12  38  96
1999 was | 16 |   7   35  5.00  0 |  65 1191 18.32  9 |   56   9  26
2000 was |  2 |   0    0  0.00  0 |   9  103 11.44  0 | -100 127 288
2001 was | 16 |   2    8  4.00  0 |  57  664 11.65  4 |  -38  42 118


Joey Galloway
1995 sea | 16 |  11  154 14.00  1 |  67 1039 15.51  7 |   47  14  37
1996 sea | 16 |  15  127  8.47  0 |  57  987 17.32  7 |   37  13  40
1997 sea | 15 |   9   72  8.00  0 |  72 1049 14.57 12 |   68   5  15
1998 sea | 16 |   9   26  2.89  0 |  65 1047 16.11 10 |   44   9  28
1999 sea |  8 |   1   -1 -1.00  0 |  22  335 15.23  1 |  -80  82 249
2000 dal |  1 |   0    0  0.00  0 |   4   62 15.50  1 |  -98 124 282
2001 dal | 16 |   3   32 10.67  0 |  52  699 13.44  3 |  -38  43 119


J.J. Stokes
1995 sfo | 12 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  38  517 13.61  4 |  -44  53 145
1996 sfo |  6 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  18  249 13.83  0 |  -91  98 286
1997 sfo | 16 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  58  733 12.64  4 |  -18  41 111
1998 sfo | 16 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  63  770 12.22  8 |    1  26  69
1999 sfo | 16 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  34  429 12.62  3 |  -59  65 209
2000 sfo | 14 |   1    6  6.00  0 |  30  524 17.47  3 |  -39  59 145
2001 sfo | 16 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  54  585 10.83  7 |  -28  38 105


Curtis Conway
1993 chi | 16 |   5   44  8.80  0 |  19  231 12.16  2 |  -66  78 243
1994 chi | 13 |   6   31  5.17  0 |  39  546 14.00  2 |  -39  62 152
1995 chi | 16 |   5   77 15.40  0 |  62 1037 16.73 12 |   63  12  27
1996 chi | 16 |   8   50  6.25  0 |  81 1049 12.95  7 |   36  15  42
1997 chi |  7 |   3   17  5.67  0 |  30  476 15.87  1 |  -60  65 201
1998 chi | 15 |   5   48  9.60  0 |  54  733 13.57  3 |  -27  43 113
1999 chi | 10 |   1   -2 -2.00  0 |  44  426  9.68  4 |  -53  62 185
2000 sdg | 14 |   3   31 10.33  0 |  53  712 13.43  5 |   -6  36  86
2001 sdg | 16 |   7  116 16.57  1 |  71 1125 15.85  6 |   36  12  35


Desmond Howard
1992 was | 16 |   3   14  4.67  0 |   3   20  6.67  0 |  -89 134 317
1993 was | 16 |   2   17  8.50  0 |  23  286 12.43  0 |  -75  85 255
1994 was | 16 |   1    4  4.00  0 |  40  727 18.18  5 |   -5  33  87
1995 jax | 13 |   1    8  8.00  0 |  26  276 10.62  1 |  -85  91 250
1996 gnb | 16 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  13   95  7.31  0 | -106 125 337
1997 oak | 15 |   0    0  0.00  0 |   4   30  7.50  0 | -112 142 347
1998 oak | 15 |   0    0  0.00  0 |   2   16  8.00  0 | -121 157 390
2000 det | 15 |   0    0  0.00  0 |   2   14  7.00  0 | -109 152 317
2001 det | 14 |   5   25  5.00  0 |  10  133 13.30  1 | -107 110 310


Herman Moore
1991 det | 15 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  11  135 12.27  0 |  -90 113 300
1992 det | 12 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  51  966 18.94  4 |   28  14  41
1993 det | 15 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  61  935 15.33  6 |   23  13  47
1994 det | 16 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  72 1173 16.29 11 |   74   6  16
1995 det | 16 |   0    0  0.00  0 | 123 1686 13.71 14 |  132   3   6
1996 det | 16 |   0    0  0.00  0 | 106 1296 12.23  9 |   67   6  22
1997 det | 16 |   0    0  0.00  0 | 104 1293 12.43  8 |   62   7  21
1998 det | 15 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  82  983 11.99  5 |    5  23  65
1999 det |  8 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  16  197 12.31  2 |  -88  93 271
2000 det | 14 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  40  434 10.85  3 |  -49  64 160
2001 det |  6 |   0    0  0.00  0 |   4   76 19.00  0 | -121 135 361


Tim Brown
1988 rai | 16 |  14   50  3.57  1 |  43  725 16.86  5 |    5  26  69
1989 rai |  1 |   0    0  0.00  0 |   1    8  8.00  0 | -107 139 356
1990 rai | 16 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  18  265 14.72  3 |  -64  74 222
1991 rai | 16 |   5   16  3.20  0 |  36  554 15.39  5 |  -17  41 108
1992 rai | 15 |   3   -4 -1.33  0 |  49  693 14.14  7 |   18  20  55
1993 rai | 16 |   2    7  3.50  0 |  80 1180 14.75  7 |   54   6  20
1994 rai | 16 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  89 1309 14.71  9 |   76   5  15
1995 oak | 16 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  89 1342 15.08 10 |   74   9  22
1996 oak | 16 |   6   35  5.83  0 |  90 1104 12.27  9 |   52  10  29
1997 oak | 16 |   5   19  3.80  0 | 104 1408 13.54  5 |   57   8  25
1998 oak | 16 |   1   -7 -7.00  0 |  81 1012 12.49  9 |   31  15  42
1999 oak | 16 |   1    4  4.00  0 |  90 1344 14.93  6 |   50  11  30
2000 oak | 16 |   3   12  4.00  0 |  76 1128 14.84 11 |   69  11  30
2001 oak | 16 |   4   39  9.75  0 |  91 1165 12.80  9 |   45   9  31


Sterling Sharpe
1988 gnb | 16 |   4   -2 -0.50  0 |  55  791 14.38  1 |  -23  40 105
1989 gnb | 16 |   2   25 12.50  0 |  90 1423 15.81 12 |  108   2   7
1990 gnb | 16 |   2   14  7.00  0 |  67 1105 16.49  6 |   38   8  28
1991 gnb | 16 |   4    4  1.00  0 |  69  961 13.93  4 |   16  21  53
1992 gnb | 16 |   4    8  2.00  0 | 108 1461 13.53 13 |  132   1   6
1993 gnb | 16 |   4    8  2.00  0 | 112 1274 11.38 11 |   88   3   9
1994 gnb | 16 |   3   15  5.00  0 |  94 1119 11.90 18 |  112   2   8


Al Toon
1985 nyj | 15 |   1    5  5.00  0 |  46  662 14.39  3 |  -23  44 112
1986 nyj | 16 |   2   -3 -1.50  0 |  85 1176 13.84  8 |   63   7  23
1987 nyj | 12 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  68  976 14.35  5 |   51  10  25
1988 nyj | 15 |   1    5  5.00  0 |  93 1067 11.47  5 |   28  13  37
1989 nyj | 11 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  63  693 11.00  2 |  -27  44 129
1990 nyj | 14 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  57  757 13.28  6 |    2  27  71
1991 nyj | 15 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  74  963 13.01  0 |   -6  36  92
1992 nyj |  9 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  31  311 10.03  2 |  -49  80 202


Irving Fryar
1984 nwe | 14 |   2  -11 -5.50  0 |  11  164 14.91  1 |  -81  94 269
1985 nwe | 16 |   7   27  3.86  1 |  39  670 17.18  7 |    9  23  61
1986 nwe | 14 |   4   80 20.00  0 |  43  737 17.14  6 |   15  22  60
1987 nwe | 12 |   9   52  5.78  0 |  31  467 15.06  5 |   -9  34  88
1988 nwe | 15 |   6   12  2.00  0 |  33  490 14.85  5 |  -28  42 111
1989 nwe | 11 |   2   15  7.50  0 |  29  537 18.52  3 |  -35  51 154
1990 nwe | 16 |   2   -4 -2.00  0 |  54  856 15.85  4 |    0  30  78
1991 nwe | 16 |   2   11  5.50  0 |  68 1014 14.91  3 |   16  22  54
1992 nwe | 15 |   1    6  6.00  0 |  55  791 14.38  4 |   11  25  62
1993 mia | 16 |   3   -4 -1.33  0 |  64 1010 15.78  5 |   24  11  45
1994 mia | 16 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  73 1270 17.40  7 |   60   9  22
1995 mia | 16 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  62  910 14.68  8 |   19  21  56
1996 phi | 16 |   1   -4 -4.00  0 |  88 1195 13.58 11 |   69   5  20
1997 phi | 16 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  86 1316 15.30  6 |   52  10  31
1998 phi | 16 |   3   46 15.33  0 |  48  556 11.58  2 |  -51  58 155
1999 was | 16 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  26  254  9.77  2 |  -82  87 258
2000 was | 14 |   2   16  8.00  0 |  41  548 13.37  5 |  -24  50 116


Kenny Jackson
1984 phi | 11 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  26  398 15.31  1 |  -56  68 186
1985 phi | 16 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  40  692 17.30  1 |  -33  52 137
1986 phi | 16 |   1    6  6.00  0 |  30  506 16.87  6 |  -14  37  96
1987 phi | 12 |   6   27  4.50  0 |  21  471 22.43  3 |  -28  43 118
1988 phi |  7 |   0    0  0.00  0 |   0    0  0.00  0 | -108 135 323
1989 hou | 10 |   0    0  0.00  0 |   4   31  7.75  0 | -105 133 344
1990 phi | 14 |   0    0  0.00  0 |   1   43 43.00  0 | -104 135 331
1991 phi | 16 |   1   18 18.00  0 |   4   29  7.25  0 |  -99 127 321


David Verser
1981 cin | 16 |   2   11  5.50  0 |   6  161 26.83  2 |  -68  77 199
1982 cin |  9 |   1    1  1.00  0 |   4   98 24.50  1 |  -66  83 200
1983 cin | 13 |   2   31 15.50  0 |   7   82 11.71  0 |  -79 114 267
1984 cin | 11 |   2    5  2.50  0 |   6  113 18.83  0 |  -90 107 292
1985 tam |  1 |   0    0  0.00  0 |   0    0  0.00  0 | -108 119 294
1987 cle |  2 |   1    9  9.00  0 |   0    0  0.00  0 | -117 140 335


Lam Jones
1980 nyj | 16 |   2    5  2.50  0 |  25  482 19.28  3 |  -34  53 138
1981 nyj | 15 |   2    0  0.00  0 |  20  342 17.10  3 |  -45  62 147
1982 nyj |  8 |   1    2  2.00  0 |  18  294 16.33  2 |  -21  41 109
1983 nyj | 14 |   4   10  2.50  0 |  43  734 17.07  4 |    7  28  69
1984 nyj |  8 |   0    0  0.00  0 |  32  470 14.69  1 |  -49  62 168