Checkdowns: Name the Hall of Fame QBs
Posted by Neil Paine on Monday, August 31, 2009
A couple of weeks ago, Jason wrote two interesting posts on Passer Personality Types. If you haven't read them, be sure to check out Part I and Part II of that series. I decided to steal his idea and do something similar for running backs.
I looked at all RBs who:
There are 134 running backs who meet those descriptions. I then split the sample into two groups of 67 runners for each of the following four categories:
Exciting or Plodding?: Does the player average greater or fewer yards per carry than the average RB? To measure this, I compared each runner's YPC average to the league average for each season of his career. I then computed a weighted, career average for each RB. If a RB's career average was 4.8% above league average, he gets the label "exciting." Anything under that, and he gets the label of "plodding." Why 4.8%? As you might expect, on average, the 134 runners in this sample were better than average in most things, including yards per carry. To make sure I had an even number of high and low YPC guys, I chose to split the group in half as opposed to simply seeing who was above or below average. There were sixty-seven running backs who averaged 4.8% yards per rush above average for their careers, and 67 who had career averages below 4.8% more yards per rush than average.
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In his Varsity Numbers column at Football Outsiders this week, Bill Connelly takes a look at seasonal momentum -- that is, the widely-held belief that, all else being equal, teams who finish strong do better in the following season than teams who finish poorly. Is it true? And if so, to what degree? Bill offers some preliminary results based on 2007-09 data.
Here's a Sporcle quiz from a while ago that I'm sure you'll ace: Can you name the all-time NFL leaders in passing yards?
On Tuesday, we revealed the first of our new PFR Play Index tools (the game logs, splits, and TD logs), and yesterday we upped the ante with the addictive new Player Season Finder. How can we top those new features? Well, allow me to introduce you to the Player Game Finder...
In some sad news, Professional Football Researchers Association co-founder and Executive Director Bob Carroll passed away on Tuesday. I didn't know Bob personally, but he was the co-author of The Hidden Game of Football, which had a profound influence on our site (the book introduced Adjusted Yards for the first time), as well as sites like Football Outsiders (the underpinnings of the DVOA method come almost directly from The Hidden Game) and Advanced NFL Stats (the book included the first publicly-released Win Probability model for football ever). Mr. Carroll will be missed.
Yesterday, we began the much-anticipated unveiling of the new PFR Play Index by giving you a guided tour of the Player Game Logs, Splits, and Scoring Logs. As great as those new features are, though, I think today's is even more thrilling: the Player Season Finder.
Well, this is it, ladies and gentlemen. I realize that you've been waiting a long time for something like this, and by gosh, it's finally here. You know, the term "life-changing" is thrown around all too often these days, but I think you'll find it entirely appropriate for what we're doing here at Pro-Football-Reference this week. Due to popular demand and the subsequent blood, sweat, and tears of Sports-Reference's resident master programmer, Justin Kubatko, PFR can now proudly stand side by side with its baseball-centric sister site and shout loud and clear: "Yes! Now I, too, have a Play Index!" And if that doesn't bring a tear of joy to your eye... well, I just don't know what will.
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In the 2007 and 2008 off-seasons I wrote articles adjusting QB statistics for strength of schedule. Today brings the summer '09 update. As always, I've done essentially the same analysis for our fantasy football fans over at Footballguys.com.
Let's start with a look at the 2008 leaders in adjusted yards per attempt, defined as (passing yards + PTD*20 - INT*45)/attempts. All QBs with a minimum of 100 attempts are listed; the league average was 6.45 AY/A.
name att pyd ptd int ay/a Philip Rivers 478 4009 34 11 8.77 Drew Brees 635 5069 34 17 7.85 Chad Pennington 476 3653 19 7 7.81 Tarvaris Jackson 149 1056 9 2 7.69 Matt Schaub 380 3043 15 10 7.61 Kurt Warner 599 4582 30 14 7.60 Matt Ryan 434 3440 16 11 7.52 Aaron Rodgers 536 4038 28 13 7.49 Tony Romo 450 3448 26 14 7.42 Jake Delhomme 414 3288 15 12 7.36 Peyton Manning 555 4002 27 12 7.21 Jeff Garcia 376 2712 12 6 7.13 Matt Cassel 516 3693 21 11 7.01 Jay Cutler 616 4526 25 18 6.84 Donovan McNabb 571 3916 23 11 6.80 Shaun Hill 288 2046 13 8 6.76 Eli Manning 479 3238 21 10 6.70 Seneca Wallace 242 1532 11 3 6.68 Trent Edwards 374 2699 11 10 6.60 Jason Campbell 506 3245 13 6 6.39 Ben Roethlisberger 468 3308 17 15 6.35 Joe Flacco 428 2971 14 12 6.33 Sage Rosenfels 174 1431 6 10 6.33 JaMarcus Russell 368 2423 13 8 6.31 Kerry Collins 415 2676 12 7 6.27 David Garrard 535 3620 15 13 6.23 J.T. O'Sullivan 220 1678 8 11 6.10 Kyle Orton 465 2972 18 12 6.00 Tyler Thigpen 420 2608 18 12 5.78 Gus Frerotte 301 2157 12 15 5.72 Brett Favre 522 3472 22 22 5.60 Dan Orlovsky 255 1616 8 8 5.55 Marc Bulger 440 2720 11 13 5.35 Jon Kitna 120 758 5 5 5.28 Daunte Culpepper 115 786 4 6 5.18 Derek Anderson 283 1615 9 8 5.07 Carson Palmer 129 731 3 4 4.74 Brian Griese 184 1073 5 7 4.66 Ryan Fitzpatrick 372 1905 8 9 4.46 Matt Hasselbeck 209 1216 5 10 4.14 J.P. Losman 104 584 2 5 3.84
Football Outsiders has been sporadically going back and calculating their play-by-play-based metrics for past seasons for a while now, and this week they posted the results for the 1994 season (which I still can't believe was fifteen years ago!). Apparently the two best teams that year were the two that would end up facing off in the Super Bowl... the following season, that is: Dallas and Pittsburgh. Oh, and Steve Young & Jerry Rice were really good that year (there's a shocker), Emmitt Smith was a rushing machine, and my fave tight end ever, Ben Coates, topped the TE rankings. Those were the days...
This isn't an analytic article, but still an interesting read if you're a football fan. From ESPN the Magazine, Ryan McGee and Luke Cyphers look at the kickoff -- seemingly routine, but actually pure controlled chaos -- from the perspective of one of the nation's best kickers and one of its best return men.
Aaron Rodgers finally got his chance to play in 2008, so I'd like to take a quick jaunt down memory lane. I don’t think I’m exaggerating when I say that Aaron Rodgers fell to the 24th pick back in 2005 because he had the taint of Tedford upon him. As the draft hype was entering its final stretch run in the spring of 2005, Rodgers was largely thought of as a top pick at quarterback, and in fact, many projections had San Fransisco taking the local product with the first overall pick.
When the Tedford Curse talk began, I thought it was just another draft smoke screen, with someone posturing for a trade, or sending false signals, through the use of national columnists or commentators, like Len Pasquarelli. After all, teams wouldn’t actually make decisions based on such rationale would they?
And let me be clear. If teams scouted, and I mean actually scouted, a player like Rodgers and saw flaws in his technique or something like that, even flaws that they may have also seen in other Tedford-coached players, that’s one thing. If they reviewed the film and saw that the numbers were inflated by throwing easy routes, and saw that he struggled with “NFL throws”—fine. But that’s not what this was. The worst thing I read about Rodgers, other than the vague fear of association with Tedford, was that he was “robotic”. If you play like Joey Harrington, you are “robotic”; if you play like Peyton Manning, you are “consistent” and “precision-like”.
As for the whole Tedford hysteria, it was overblown, even at the time. (And since I'm pointing out old articles discussing a Tedford curse and other such voodoo, I should also point out that Jeffrey Chadiha wrote a more reasoned piece at the time.) I mean, Tedford got credit/blame for BOTH Carr and Harrington in 2002? What, was he dating one while seeing the other on the side? It seems to me like there was a lot of "Norv Turner produces great running backs" hype going on here, where there are some truths, some half-truths, and some circumstantial stuff. So I cross-referenced Tedford’s actual coaching career with the “Tedford Five”.
As it turns out, Tedford only coached David Carr when Carr was a freshman reserve, and then Tedford moved on from Fresno State to become offensive coordinator at Oregon in 1998. A sample size of five is small enough, but there’s no way Carr should have been on the list. Tedford coached Akili Smith for one season as offensive coordinator (his first at Oregon), and Kyle Boller for one season as head coach at Cal. Boller was fairly widely considered a reach based on “potential” at the time of the pick. He wasn’t that good under Tedford in his final season at Cal, but that was an improvement over what he had been. I don’t see how you blame Tedford because Billick fell in love with Boller’s arm strength and turned him into a first round pick. Which leaves the guys that Tedford worked with for multiple seasons—Dilfer, Harrington, and now, Aaron Rodgers. I'm not here to tell you that Trent Dilfer was great or anything, but on the spectrum of first round picks at quarterback, he is a far cry from both the best and the worst--he did stick around for a long time. And as for Joey Harrington, well, he wasn't very good, and he got lots of opportunity to prove it.
It took four seasons for Rodgers to get his chance. As it turns out, a guy who carved up USC in 2004 might have been worth the top overall pick in the 2005 draft after all. I don’t know how Rodgers' career will turn out on the spectrum of good to great quarterbacks. He's not much like an Oregon Duck (or a witch), though, and he’s got a pretty good chance of staying afloat in the NFL for awhile.
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There are two schools of thought on Dick Butkus.
1) He's one of the greatest, if not the greatest, middle linebackers in NFL history. Population: Just about everyone. The Sporting News ranked him as the 9th best player in NFL history. The Associated Press put him at number five. In his prime, he was known as the most feared man in the game. Jonathon Rand, like many sports writers, named him the greatest linebacker of all-time. At the age of 36, he was (and still is) the youngest non-RB to be elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
2) He's the 50th best linebacker in NFL history. Population: Sean Lahman
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This post is a little behind the curve (the feature originally came out in late June), but Brian Burke of Advanced NFL Stats has a cool application using his Win Probability model that measures the best comebacks and the "most exciting" games since the 2000 season. He talks about the methodology here, and the gist is that the greatest comebacks are ones where the winning team had the lowest WP at some point in the game. The most exciting games, on the other hand, play on the idea that back-and-forth games are very exiciting --therefore the "excitement index" is a measure of how much the WP graph has moved over the course of a game. I love the concept of win probability in all sports, and Brian's work on the topic in football has been very interesting, so I think this feature is one of the coolest ones on his site.
Who is the best quarterback in Raiders history? There are only four candidates worth mentioning. The easiest to dismiss is Jim Plunkett. While he won two Super Bowls, he was not an above average NFL quarterback; in fact, he was slightly below league average in adjusted net yards per attempt (ANY/A) in '80 and dead average in '83, the two years he won those titles. His advanced passing table shows that for his career, he was well below average in ANY/A. He never once ranked as a top ten quarterback in the regular season. He was a terrific playoff performer, but he was simply not as talented or productive as the best three Raiders quarterbacks.
Rich Gannon was a very good quarterback for four seasons with the Raiders, 1999-2002. But even ignoring knocks about him being a system quarterback playing with two HOF receivers, he still never reached Lamonica or Stabler status among Raiders fans. Why? Probably because both of those QBs were great playoff performers, while Gannon had a horrific Super Bowl performance, a bad game (that ended in injury) in an AFC Championship loss to the Ravens, and was on the wrong team the night of the Tuck Rule. He was very good but not great, and most Raiders fans (and football historians) would put either Lamonica or Stabler (or both) above him. Putting Gannon aside, the best QB in Raiders history is mainly a two horse race, with all due respect to all other Oakland and Los Angeles quarterbacks.
What's interesting is most people think (or assume others think) that Stabler stands alone. A quick search for the best QB in Raiders history brings up these results:
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