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All-decade team of the 70s: Part I
After spending some time projecting the All-decade offense and All-decade defense of the '00s, I thought it might be fun to perform the same analysis for another period in NFL history. Today, we're going to look at the All-decade offensive players of the 1970s; tomorrow, we'll check out the defensive players, special teams stars, and head coaches.
Let's start with the actual All-decade offense, as selected by the voters of the Pro Football Hall of Fame:
First Team Second Team
QB: Roger Staubach Terry Bradshaw/Ken Stabler
RB: O.J. Simpson Earl Campbell
RB: Walter Payton Franco Harris
WR: Lynn Swann Paul Warfield
WR: Drew Pearson Harold Carmichael
TE: Dave Casper Charlie Sanders
OT: Art Shell Dan Dierdorf
OT: Rayfield Wright Ron Yary
OG: Larry Little John Hannah
OG: Joe DeLamielleure Gene Upshaw
OC: Jim Langer Mike Webster
Let's get started with the analysis; for QBs, RBs and WRs, I'll refer to the formulas derived in their respective links to compute "yards over average" for the decade of the '70s for players at those positions.
Before we get to the discussion, a couple of era notes. One, the AP Defensive Player of the Year award began in 1971; the Offensive Player version was introduced the next season. Further, the 16-game schedule was introduced for the last two seasons of the decade; this slightly affects a player's games and games started columns, but should not cause us any trouble. For QBs, RBs and WRs, I had already built in a pro-rating system for non-16 game seasons. Finally, the "games started" column is sometimes accurate, and sometimes not. Unfortunately, it's inconsistently inconsistent; I've included the column, because it serves as a good minimum (every start listed as a game started is correct, but many games started were not recorded) but many players will be short-changed in their number of games started column.
Quarterback:
AV PB G GS SEA awards AP1 AP2 ANY/A PLAYER 103 6 125 113 8 1 1 0 6508 Roger Staubach 96 4 120 120 9 2 1 1 4958 Fran Tarkenton 85 2 119 111 8 0 0 1 4598 Ken Anderson 79 4 128 122 9 0 0 1 4211 Jim Hart 79 4 130 96 7 2 1 1 3690 Ken Stabler 62 1 68 62 4 2 1 1 3680 Bert Jones 91 6 122 116 9 0 1 1 3258 Bob Griese 87 3 129 119 10 3 1 0 2939 Terry Bradshaw 53 1 95 85 8 0 0 0 2818 Billy Kilmer 76 1 104 87 6 0 0 0 2654 Greg Landry 52 1 80 73 6 0 1 0 2345 Dan Fouts 57 1 95 79 6 0 0 0 2329 Roman Gabriel 34 1 48 39 3 1 1 0 2088 John Brodie 62 0 128 100 8 0 0 0 2001 Craig Morton 60 0 73 67 5 0 0 0 1982 Steve Grogan 54 0 95 95 6 0 0 0 1974 Joe Ferguson 59 2 112 84 5 0 1 0 1821 John Hadl 37 1 79 40 4 0 0 0 1802 James Harris 49 0 56 56 4 0 0 1 1592 Jim Zorn 46 1 71 65 4 0 0 1 1514 Joe Namath 61 2 105 102 8 0 0 0 1418 Archie Manning
Unlike the '00s, the 1970s was a decade where many quarterbacks could claim to be the best in the league at any point in time. Ten different QBs were named first-team All-Pros, and no QB has more than two combined 1st/2nd team All-Pro honors. Sixteen QBs received a first or second team All-Pro nod, but I think we can narrow the list down to eight excellent QBs of the 1970s:
- Terry Bradshaw was the QB on four Super Bowl champions, won two SB MVPs, and also won the 1978 MVP award. He was the only QB to start all ten seasons in the decade, although he did not put up good numbers in several of those seasons. A good defense and a tough home environment can help explain subpar numbers, but Bradshaw was also the beneficiary of a bunch of talent on offense. He had some great post-season performances, and was very good in '75, '77, '78 and '79.
- Roger Staubach had seven terrific seasons in the seventies -- only in '70, '72 and '74 did he not put up excellent numbers. The Pièce de résistance may have been his 1971 season. Sure, he won the Super Bowl MVP award, but what's more impressive to me is that he doubled the league average in adjusted net yards per attempt. While the league average QB was at 3.90 ANY/A, Staubach threw for 7.81 ANY/A, and also contributed with 343 rushing yards and two TDs.
- Ken Anderson in 1975 may have been better than Staubach in '71; he led the league in passing yards, yards per attempt and adjusted net yards per attempt. Playing under offensive coordinator Bill Walsh, Anderson put up top ten seasons of the decade in '74 and '75. He was very good in '73, and above average in '76 and '77. Anderson has a good combination of quantity and quality, although he won no major awards nor any playoff games in the decade.
- Bert Jones had the best season of the decade, and with all due respect to Anderson ('75), Staubach ('71) and John Brodie ('70), Jones' 76 season leaves them in the dust. Despite ranking sixth in pass attempts, Jones led the NFL in passing yards, and of course led the league in adjusted net yards per attempt. Jones was the NFL MVP, although his season ended when he faced the unbelievable '76 version of the Steel Curtain.
- Bob Griese started for nine seasons, excluding the Dolphins' perfect season of 1972. Earl Morrall won the Comeback Player of the Year award that season, and started 11 of the Dolphins' 17 victories. But Griese was consistently good during the decade, averaging more adjusted net yards per pass than the average QB from '70 to '78. His best season was '71, a very strong but not league-leading season. Griese made six Pro Bowls, tied with Staubach for most in the decade.
- Fran Tarkenton was great in the sixties, but didn't declined much as he aged. He had three seasons where he had added over 1,000 adjusted net yards over average ('74, '75 and '76), and three more in the 600-810 range ('70, '72 and '73). While he won the NFL MVP and Offensive Player of the Year awards in '75, he may have been even better the next season. He, of course, made and lost three Super Bowls in the '70s, but that shouldn't tarnish his legacy. As good as he was in '76, he was washed up by '77; combined with a miserable '71 season in New York, that leaves him with six very good seasons and little else in the decade.
- Ken Stabler won an MVP and OPOY award in '74, but may have been even better in '76. Those two seasons were two of the top ten seasons of the decade among QBs, but Stabler only had three other good seasons. He made four Pro Bowls, but does not have the quantity to match his quality in this competitive field.
- Jim Hart, like Stabler, made four Pro Bowls in the '70s. He started for nine seasons and put up very good numbers for most of them. He was at his best in in the mid-70s. That shouldn't come as a big surprise to regular PFR blog readers; he had three Pro Bowl linemen in those years (more on them later).
While lots of guys could make strong arguments, and Steelers fans will certainly be angry, Staubach stands out as the clear winner. Second place is a toss up between Anderson and Tarkenton, but I'll side with Tarkenton on the basis of a longer peak and a less advanced offensive system. Bradshaw has excellent individual post-season numbers (in addition to the great team post-season success), so I wouldn't argue too much with those who want to put him ahead of Tarkenton.
First team All-Decade QB:: Roger Staubach
Second team All-Decade QB: Fran Tarkenton
Running Backs:
AV PB G GS SEA awards AP1 AP2 VALUE PLAYER 93 5 122 25 10 2 5 0 3486 O.J. Simpson 64 4 73 67 5 2 2 2 2720 Walter Payton 90 3 109 84 6 0 0 2 1912 Lydell Mitchell 80 5 93 78 6 1 1 2 1803 Chuck Foreman 27 2 31 30 2 4 2 0 1314 Earl Campbell 71 3 88 71 5 2 2 0 1305 Larry Brown 54 2 67 0 4 0 1 0 1211 Ron A. Johnson 74 5 89 78 5 0 0 1 1192 Lawrence McCutcheon 82 8 111 106 8 2 1 2 1188 Franco Harris 66 5 124 123 9 1 2 1 858 Larry Csonka 50 2 87 52 4 0 1 0 849 Otis Armstrong 53 2 84 67 5 0 1 0 791 Delvin Williams 56 3 84 73 6 0 0 0 764 Floyd Little 53 3 95 9 7 1 1 1 724 John Brockington 32 2 44 31 2 0 0 2 698 Wilbert Montgomery 54 0 88 68 5 0 0 0 691 Mark van Eeghen 33 0 73 45 4 1 0 0 530 Don Woods 70 1 111 105 8 0 0 0 511 John Riggins 63 1 110 17 6 0 0 0 470 MacArthur Lane 42 1 44 33 3 1 0 0 450 Tony Dorsett 59 1 90 84 7 0 0 0 356 Sam Cunningham 61 3 87 40 5 0 0 0 393 Greg Pruitt 62 3 114 16 5 0 0 1 379 Calvin Hill 43 1 67 57 5 1 0 0 301 Mike Thomas 48 0 87 32 3 0 0 0 232 Jim Kiick 48 2 85 39 3 0 0 0 205 Mercury Morris
O.J. is the obvious choice for RB of the decade. He played in every season in the decade, and lead all RBs in RB dominance (Value), AV, Pro Bowls, first team All-Pros and combined All-Pros. He won an MVP and an OPOY award in 1973, but was arguably better in 1975. Earl Campbell won two Offensive Player of the Year awards ('78 and '79), along with a Rookie of the Year in '78 and an MVP in 1979. Larry Brown and Walter Payton each had a dominant season where they won an MVP and an OPOY award ('72 for Brown, '77 for Payton).
AV says Colts great Lydell Mitchell should be our other first team RB, but Payton has him edged out in running back dominance and has two additional first-team All-Pro selections. Simpson's '75, Payton's '77 and Simpson's '73 were the top three RB seasons of the decade, and the two are worthy choices for our All-decade running back spots.
Campbell played just two seasons in the decade, but both were top-20 RB seasons of the decade. AV would say he has no chance, but his 2 OPOY awards and 1 MVP match what Marshall Faulk did to make my '00 roster.
Franco Harris and Larry Csonka won SB MVP awards, and were terrific full backs for most of the decade. Lydell Mitchell doesn't have great All-Pro numbers, but that's less important for a position like running back where we have a bunch of good stats. Mitchell has three top-20 seasons in the decade ('75-'77), and was sixth in the league in '74 in yards from scrimmage. It will bother Steelers' fans to no end to leave Franco Harris off the All-decade roster, and they'll be right; he was an integral part of maybe the greatest dynasty in football history. He was a leader, a terrific playoff performer, and a dependable weapon for those great teams. But he didn't put up the big numbers, and had some fumbling issues. Only once in the decade did he rank in the top five in yards from scrimmage, and he only finished in the top five in total touchdowns two times.
Meanwhile, Chuck Foreman finished in the top five in yards from scrimmage in four straight seasons ('74 to '77) and finished in the top two in total touchdowns in '74, '75 and '76. Only Simpson's ridiculous 23 scores stopped Foreman from leading the league in scoring three straight seasons, as Foreman's 22 touchdowns in '75 is still the best ever by a runner up in total touchdowns.
(Once again, the voters do not separate out from the fullback position from the running back spot; if you're forced to take a fullback, Harris is the obvious choice.)
First team All-Decade RBs:: O.J. Simpson and Walter Payton
Second team All-Decade RBs: Lydell Mitchell and Chuck Foreman
Wide Receivers :
When you think of wide receivers and NFL history, you don't think of the 1970s. You're about to see why:
AV PB G GS SEA awards AP1 AP2 VALUE PLAYER 79 4 144 141 10 0 1 1 4120 Harold Jackson 67 4 112 71 6 0 3 0 3542 Cliff Branch 66 3 126 97 9 0 2 0 3320 Gene A. Washington 67 4 124 96 8 1 1 0 3077 Fred Biletnikoff 60 3 124 112 7 0 0 2 3050 Harold Carmichael 64 3 101 6 6 0 3 0 2942 Drew Pearson 65 4 110 56 8 0 0 1 2912 John Gilliam 64 5 86 68 6 0 2 1 2885 Paul Warfield 63 2 138 0 8 0 0 1 2878 Ken Burrough 59 1 82 73 6 0 1 0 2708 Nat Moore 51 4 84 73 7 0 0 1 2599 Charley Taylor 50 3 80 65 5 1 1 2 2499 Lynn Swann 58 4 112 27 7 0 1 0 2489 Mel Gray 51 4 96 0 7 0 0 3 2339 Isaac Curtis 43 3 82 76 5 0 0 0 2250 Gary Garrison 40 2 66 0 5 0 1 0 2208 Otis Taylor 55 0 129 67 8 0 0 0 2168 Reggie Rucker 42 2 59 58 4 0 0 2 2141 Steve Largent 42 0 116 27 6 0 0 0 2116 Bob Chandler 57 2 128 107 9 0 0 0 2064 Charlie Joiner 43 1 78 60 3 0 1 0 1900 John Stallworth 43 2 100 57 7 0 0 0 1688 Ahmad Rashad 47 1 107 64 6 0 0 0 1607 Ron Jessie 52 1 140 107 9 0 0 0 1602 Haven Moses 36 1 73 0 5 0 0 0 1591 J.D. Hill
All four of the actual All-decade WRs finished in my top twelve, but none of my top four WRs made the cut. There are no obvious choices at wide receiver, so let's go down the list.
- Harold Jackson: Played in every game in the decade. Tops all WRs in AV and yards over average. His two combined All-Pro honors are just one back of the decade-leaders. Was born in the right year ('46) to be in his prime during this decade, although he had his career high in receiving yards at age 23 in 1969. According to my ranking system, he was the top WR in the NFL in '72 for the Eagles and then again in '73 for the Rams. Despite Los Angeles throwing just 271 passes in '73, Jackson led the league with 13 receiving touchdowns.
- Cliff Branch: Only played for six seasons, but was dominant during the decade. Along with Jackson, he was the only other receiver in the '70s to lead the league in adjusted receiving yards over average in two seasons. His '74 performance (60-1092-13 on 335 team attempts) was tops in the decade (+1146 adjusted yards over average), and he was one of just three receivers (Gene A. Washington and Otis Taylor) to break +1000 yards over average in any season in the decade. Branch was the only one to do so twice, recording +1012 yards over average in 1976. His three first-team All-Pros lead all wide receivers.
- Gene A. Washington: Washington had a huge 1970 season, helping John Brodie win the first MVP award after the merger. Six times during the '70s he would finish among the top 20 WRs, including three top ten rankings. He played for nine seasons in the decade, and has solid Pro Bowl/All-Pro numbers.
- Fred Biletnikoff: Was a dominant WR in the late '60s and early '70s, and had some very solid but not great years after that. Biletnikoff also has a SB MVP, although he is the only WR to win that award with fewer than 100 yards in the game. He was an indispensable member of those Raiders teams, and he played (and played well) for most of the decade.
- Harold Carmichael: The six-foot-eight, converted tight end didn't make his name until 1973, when he unexpectedly led the NFL in receptions and receiving yards. Carmichael played on some pass-happy Eagles teams under head coach Mike McCormack, but also put up good numbers in Dick Vermiel's more balanced attack. He would rank among the top 15 WRs in five seasons during the decade.
- Drew Pearson: As Bob Hayes' career wound down, Pearson became the dominant wide receiver for America's team. He had five top-ten finishes in the decade (but only one top-five), and was named first-team All-Pro three times. He struggled to reach the end zone generally (12 TDs in those three All-Pro seasons) but consistently ranked among the leaders in receiving yards. The '70s was a decade of famous touchdown catches, and Pearson will always be remembered for his big score.
- Paul Warfield was one of the star receivers of the '60s, and continued his dominant play well into the '70s. He was the #1 WR on the '72 Dolphins, but from '70 to '74 Miami never threw 300 passes in a season. As a result, Warfield's raw numbers are not great, but he does have five top fifteen finishes (in the '70s) in my ranking system, including a #2 rank in 1971. A tremendously gifted athlete, Warfield could have put up mind-numbing numbers if he had played on some of today's offenses. Instead, he worked to become a terrific blocker, and helped Miami appear in three Super Bowls.
- Lynn Swann: Remembered for his acrobatics and his playoff performances, Swann was still a very good regular season performer. Despite starting in the '70s for just five seasons, he ranked among the top five WRs in three different seasons ('75, '77 and '78). Swann was one of the biggest reasons Pittsburgh moved from a dominant rushing team in the mid-'70s to a more balanced (and sometimes passing) offense by the end of the decade.
So who are the four most deserving members? Jackson (yards over average, AV) and Branch (1st team All-Pros, yards over average) stand out as the most dominant receivers. They're solid, if not spectacular, picks for the first team. Washington is next in Value, and also has the two first team All-Pros; combined with the 126 games, he is a respectable choice for 2nd-team All-decade. The fourth spot? Biletnikoff, Carmichael, Swann and Pearson can all make good cases. Biletnikoff, Carmichael and Pearson are very close in yards over average; Swann trails them due to quantity, but not quality, of games played. Biletnikoff and Swann have the SB MVPs; Pearson has the three 1st-team All-Pro honors, and Carmichael has a great all around resume. We left Bradshaw and Harris off our roster, and Swann had 285 yards and the two scores that provided the ultimate margin of victory in Pittsburgh's two Super Bowls wins over Dallas. That's as good as tiebreaker as any. Swann's top three seasons compare well to the other guys, so I'm fine with letting his great playoff performances compensate for his shorter period of dominance in the decade.
First team All-Decade WRs: Harold Jackson and Cliff Branch
Second team All-Decade WRs: Gene A. Washington and Lynn Swann
Tight End:
AV PB G GS SEA awards AP1 AP2 PLAYER
69 4 140 78 9 0 0 0 Raymond Chester
68 3 137 0 8 0 0 0 Rich Caster
68 0 140 31 9 0 0 1 Bob Tucker
67 4 113 98 7 0 2 2 Riley Odoms
60 5 100 39 7 0 2 0 Charlie Sanders
52 2 100 0 8 0 0 0 Bob Trumpy
49 3 102 65 6 0 0 0 Billy Joe DuPree
49 1 141 0 10 0 0 0 Jim R. Mitchell
48 0 114 67 5 0 0 0 Larry Brown
48 4 86 55 4 0 4 0 Dave Casper
47 0 131 119 9 0 0 0 Bob Klein
47 1 112 21 6 0 0 0 Jackie Smith
44 0 99 74 6 0 0 0 Jerry Smith
42 3 101 56 4 0 1 2 Charle Young
40 3 95 42 3 0 1 0 Ted Kwalick
Tight end is a very interesting position because Casper received 20 of 25 votes, making him the third highest vote getter at any position, despite only starting for four seasons. That's why AV has him pretty far down on the list. It's your classic quality over quantity argument, and as Jason wrote before, Casper was the dominant tight end of the late seventies. But since he only played well towards the end of the decade, that leaves this position open for debate.
For starters, we should remember that even Doug thinks AV is not great at comparing one tight end to another. So let's dig a bit deeper.
Raymond Chester made a Pro Bowl for the Raiders in the first and last years of the decade, but spent some time in Baltimore in between. Chester and Casper made the Pro Bowl in '79, the only time since the merger that two tight ends from the same team made the Pro Bowl. With nine seasons as a starter and four Pro Bowls, he has a solid resume. He's a quantity over quality guy, though, as he only topped 600 receiving yards in a season (712 in '79) one time and has no All-Pro honors.
The Jets' Rich Caster had three huge seasons -- in '72, '74 and '75, Caster averaged over 57.0 receiving yards per game; only three other tight ends hit that mark in the decade, and none of them did so more than once. Caster made the Pro Bowl in all three of those seasons, and had a couple other decent seasons in the decade. His '73 season was a down year by his standards only because of injury to Joe Namath; in the four full games Namath played, Casper was his usual self, averaging 59.5 receiving yards and scoring two touchdowns. Caster led all tight ends with ten 100+ receiving yard games in the decade (Jackie Smith was second with seven), and dominated the AFC until Casper took over. He was also one of the many stars in one of our earlier podcasts, when he caught six passes for 204 yards and three scores in a game against the Colts. While Rich Caster was the dominant receiving tight end of the '70s, including Casper, he was such a one-dimensional player that he doesn't make the cut. He bounced around between wide receiver and tight end, and was never a strong blocker. As a result, he never received any All-Pro honors, and was basically a receiver in tight end's clothes.
Riley Odoms had some very big years but not terrific ones, at least as a receiver. His four combined All-Pro selections tie him with Casper for most by any tight end in the decade. Odoms was a consistently good pass catcher throughout the '70s, and reports indicate that he was a solid blocker, as well.
We don't have a lot to go on when talking about blocking tight ends, but Dave Casper was an offensive tackle at Notre Dame and has a reputation for being a terrific blocking tight end. Outside of the Steelers' Larry Brown -- who moved to right tackle during the '70s and was the starter for the '79 Super Bowl Champs -- he may have been the best blocker on the list. And we can't talk about Casper without mentioning The Ghost to the Post or The Holy Roller, two of the classic memories from the '70s that I discussed with Jon Rand.
Charlie Sanders is a recent HOF inductee, and was a first-team All-Pro in '70 and '71. But he was more of a receiver than blocker, and his receiving numbers aren't as impressive as Caster's. Bob Tucker also has good receiving numbers, and had the most receiving yards in the '70s of any tight end. But with no Pro Bowls and just a 2nd-team All-Pro selection, he can't build a strong case.
Only three players really stand out -- Casper, Odoms and Caster. Of the three, one was excellent at blocking at receiving, one was good at both, and was great at one and bad at the other. I'll side with the AP selections on this one.
First team All-Decade TE: Dave Casper
Second team All-Decade TE: Riley Odoms
Offensive Tackles:
AV PB G GS SEA awards AP1 AP2 PLAYER 110.1 7 144 144 10 0 6 1 Ron Yary 94.8 7 139 125 10 0 2 2 Art Shell 90.6 7 106 106 8 0 1 3 George Kunz 83.7 6 128 30 8 0 3 2 Rayfield Wright 78.3 5 144 143 10 0 0 1 Russ Washington 70.0 5 112 28 7 0 3 2 Dan Dierdorf 66.7 1 114 100 7 0 0 1 Rocky Freitas 65.9 2 120 108 8 0 0 0 Norm Evans 65.4 4 139 127 9 0 1 0 Bob Kuechenberg 64.8 3 94 93 6 0 2 0 Leon Gray 63.4 0 141 125 9 0 0 0 Jon Kolb 62.2 0 137 136 10 0 0 0 Mike Current 59.6 0 139 87 8 0 0 0 John Williams
Ron Yary was the star tackle of the decade, starting every game in every season, and leading all tackles in AV, Pro Bowls, first team All-Pro nominations and total AP honors. The other tackle spot could be given to any number of guys. Shell, Kunz, Wright and Dierdorf all received four or more total AP nominations and five or more Pro Bowl berths. Shell has the highest AV of that group, mostly because he played in more games than the other three. He's also the only left tackle of the group, but in the '70s, that position had not yet been elevated to elite status. Washington is the only other tackle with an AV over 70, and while he has five Pro Bowls and played in every game during the decade, he has only one 2nd-team All-Pro honor and zero first-team nods. Washington was also a right tackle, and was fortunate enough to be born in 1946 to earn consideration for this team; anecdotally, he does not appear to be on the same level as the players above.
From '73 to '77, Kunz was named first team All-NFL or All-Conference by at least one major news service each season. And he did this while playing for both the Colts and the Falcons. Shell was named to at least one first team by at least one group in six straight seasons, '73 to '78. Dierdorf's success was shorter lived ('75 to '78 with at least one first team nod) but he did earn three first team All-Pros in a row. Wright's success was in the beginning of the decade, making the Pro Bowl annually from '71 to '76, getting some first team nomination from '71 to '75, and getting his three first team All-Pros in '71, '72 and '73.
Shell played with three other HOFs on those Raiders offensive lines, which probably cuts both ways. While it brings into question how much he benefitted from playing with those guys, it also likely hurt his AV. This one is too close to call with any conviction. I'll give the nod to Kunz; Bert Jones' and Lydell Mitchell's careers soared once Kunz joined Baltimore in 1975; admittedly, Jones and Mitchell were just entering their primes, but their play reached an elite level and Kunz deserves credit for that. He has largely been overlooked for playing on some bad teams, while Shell has already earned significant praise, at least with regards to Shell the player.
Deciding between Dierdorf and Wright for the final spot is equally difficult. Wright has two AV seasons of 16 and 17, while Dierdorf peaks at 13 (likely because he played with two other studs on the line). For example, in '73, the Cowboys ranked 2nd in scoring and Wright was the only linemen to gain any AP honors. In '71 Dallas was first in scoring, with Wright and John Niland being named to the AP's first team. Sadly, there just isn't much to go on when deciding between Dierdorf and Wright, but Wright has the edge in peak and decade-long AV.
First team All-Decade OTs: Ron Yary and George Kunz
Second team All-Decade OTs: Art Shell and Rayfield Wright
Guards:
AV PB G GS SEA awards AP1 AP2 PLAYER 95.2 4 142 140 10 0 5 2 Larry Little 89.7 6 144 144 10 0 3 4 Gene Upshaw 71.3 8 128 126 9 0 0 3 Tom Mack 64.3 3 98 98 7 0 3 1 John Hannah 63.4 5 102 102 7 0 3 2 Joe DeLamielleure 60.1 4 139 125 9 0 0 1 Ed White 56.1 0 143 141 10 0 0 0 Randy Rasmussen 56.0 4 83 13 6 0 2 0 John Niland 53.2 0 116 116 8 0 1 2 Reggie McKenzie 51.7 2 125 123 9 0 0 0 Woody Peoples 50.4 3 99 61 7 0 0 1 Conrad Dobler 50.3 0 141 44 10 0 0 0 Doug Van Horn 49.1 2 133 48 9 0 1 0 Bob Young
Unlike at the tackle position, picking our first-teamers is easy. Shell's teammate, Gene Upshaw, and Miami standout Larry Little, picked up 14 of the 20 All-Pro honors handed out to guards during the '70s. Both played in all ten seasons, in over 140 games, and combined for ten Pro Bowls. Only Rams great Tom Mack beats them in Pro Bowls, and if this was the All-decade team from 1968-1977, he'd have a good case. As it stands, Upshaw and Little are clear choices.
Mack is a fine addition to the second team, and we could have a good debate about who our fourth guard should be. The real team took DeLamielleure on the first team and Hannah for its second; both have good cases. Hannah suffers from the same problem Nnamdi Asomugha had -- he was born in a year ending with a 1, putting him in a tough spot to make any All-decade team; in reality, he made both the '70s and '80s teams, despite his career success coming from '76 to '85. DeLamielleure was the star of the Electric Line, and while his work in 1980 doesn't count, the fact that Brian Sipe won an MVP out of nowhere his first year in Cleveland probably speaks to how good DeLamielleure really was. We can put Hannah on our All-'80s team. Check out DeLamielleure's Wikipedia page for a breakdown on his head-to-head matchups with Joe Greene if you need further convincing.
First team All-Decade Gs: Larry Little and Gene Upshaw
Second team All-Decade Gs: Tom Mack and Joe DeLamielleure
Center:
AV PB G GS SEA awards AP1 AP2 PLAYER
80.9 6 129 109 8 0 4 2 Jim Langer
58.4 2 112 112 8 0 0 2 Len Hauss
57.1 4 110 57 8 0 1 1 Tom Banks
55.4 2 140 140 10 0 0 1 Jeff Van Note
55.3 4 143 29 10 0 0 0 Jack Rudnay
52.7 4 120 68 5 0 2 1 Forrest Blue
51.7 0 128 128 9 0 0 0 Mick Tingelhoff
50.0 0 126 0 8 0 0 0 Bob Johnson
50.0 3 95 27 7 0 0 0 Ed Flanagan
48.4 0 123 28 7 0 0 0 John Fitzgerald
47.4 0 132 110 8 0 0 0 Bill Lenkaitis
45.5 0 127 101 7 0 0 0 Ken Mendenhall
44.6 2 88 62 4 0 2 0 Mike Webster
44.3 0 132 102 9 0 0 0 Carl Mauck
42.4 4 144 73 5 0 0 0 Rich Saul
42.0 3 70 70 5 0 1 1 Jim Otto
Like Ron Yary at tackle, Jim Langer was the standout center of the decade. He's got 25% more AV than any other center, and his four first-team All-Pro nominations and two second-team All-Pro honors at least double all other centers.
The second team All-decade center? Jim Otto and Mike Webster are HOF centers who played in the decade, but Otto was washed up by the middle of the decade while Webster didn't get started until halfway through. Otto made the Pro Bowl in '70, '71 and '72 while Webster made it in '77, '78 and '79. For pure dominance, Webster might be the best choice, but he only started for four seasons.
Tom Banks joined Dobler and Dierdorf on those great Cardinals lines; Van Note teamed with Kunz on those bad Falcons teams. Tingelhoff and Hauss were stars of the '60s who played well into the '70s. Rudnay started each season of the decade for Kansas City, but he didn't receive much recognition beyond his two Pro Bowls. Blue was great early in the decade for the 49ers, but he only was a starter for five years.
Besides Langer, no center really stands out. In those cases, I'd prefer to take quality over quantity. Considering we've got almost nothing to measure quality but AP honors and Pro Bowls, Blue seems to be the best pick. I want to pick Webster because he was the superior player, but that's because of his great work in the '80s. If we want to stay objective, Blue is the best pick. Blue's resume was boosted when he picked up three first-team All-conference awards in '74, a year in which he was not selected by the Associated Press.
First team All-Decade C: Jim Langer
Second team All-Decade C: Forrest Blue
Be sure to check back in tomorrow to see the All-decade defense of the '70s, and comment on whatever you like below.
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FYI - Fran Tarkenton was injured in 1977. He broke his leg in a Week Nine game versus Cincinnati and was out for the rest of the year. I didn't know if you knew that. It was the first time Tark had ever suffered a season-ending injury. Tark returned in '78 and was "productive", but also threw a lot of INTs.
Hard to believe Tarkenton never won a passing title with all those years of above-average play.
Interesting, to say the least. Pittsburgh, winners (and deservedly so) of four Super Bowls, get four players named to 1st team and 2nd team honors by the HoF writers. But on AV rankings alone they would get zero.
Meanwhile, the Rams get zero from the Hall votes and two strictly from AV while the Vikings, four-time losers in the Super Bowl, get one from the HoF writers and three from AV scoring.
...Hmmm...
Patrick,
We should probably wait till tomorrow before fully discussing the Steelers. They do pretty well on the defensive side of the ball
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Also, AV is 100% based on the regular season.
The sad part about Langer is, even though he's also a first ballot Hall Of Famer on top of everything else, he's not even considered the best center on his own team and even diehard DolFans totally forget about him because of Dwight Stephenson.
My apologies, guys. It’s the other way around. I'm actually a proponent of the AV, although you couldn't tell from my post - it was worded poorly.
I'll wait until tomorrow's part two, but my thought is that the Steelers have been given too much weight - particularly by the Hall of Fame writers - for having won four Super Bowls.
What the writers seem to lose sight of is player performance over the other 1,932 regular season games that took place from 1970-1979. Granted, Pittsburgh won consistently from 1972 until the end of the decade, but teams like the Rams and Vikings won just as much and put more players in the Pro Bowls but seem to fall way below in terms of Hall of Fame selections and the all-decade team.
Good points, Patrick. We'll take on a bunch of those Vikings and Rams tomorrow.
Earl Campbell over Chuck Foreman?! Campbell played two years. Foreman seven. Foreman was in five consecutive Pro Bowls to start his career and if he hadn't been hit in the eye with a snow ball in the final game of 1975 by Buffalo Bills fans, he would have won the NFC triple crown - rushing title, scoring title, and pass receptions title. He might even have tied O.J. with 23 TDs and scored his fifth TD that day.
Shame on these Hall voters. Somebody needed to give them a clue or two.
Way too many Steelers on the Hall's list. Why even do an All-Decade team if you're simply going to award the team with the most Super Bowl wins with the most players?
The same has gone with Hall of Fame election votes. Five Steelers make it in on their first year of eligibility. Granted, Pittsburgh was a dynasty in the '70s, but on this All-Decade team some worthy players were left off the list because they either didn't play in a Super Bowl or lost four of them (Vikings). Definite bias here.
BTW, nice job of analysis. It's good to see Harold Jackson, Cliff Branch, and Tom Mack get their due, along with Foreman and Tarkenton.
Something I have noticed is that the multiple Super Bowl winners of the 60s and 70s (Packers, Cowboys, Dolphins, Steelers, even the Raiders incluiding their 80's championships) have already many players enshrined each in the Hall of Fame, but if you look at the multiple Super Bowl winners of the 80s and 90s (49ers, Redskins, Giants, Cowboys) they have very few and it doesn't look that they will increase significantilly in the following years. I really think is worthy of another topic, because if you look that a SB winner team of the 60s and 70s have 8 or 9 enshrinees (and a coouple more to discuss), the 80s and 90s have 2 or 3, and maybe a couple more worthy of enshrinment.
Gary,
By my quick count (i.e., possible errors below), Dallas only has two so far (Aikman/Irvin), but that number is sure to double soon (Deion/Emmitt). Larry Allen is a strong candidate, although things dwindle after that (Norton, Haley, Woodson, Newton). I suspect Dallas will end up with five.
The 49ers are still at three* (Lott/Montana/Dean), but Rice will join them this year. Roger Craig, Haley (again), Jack Reynolds and Romanowski seem to have the best chances, and I don't like them very much.
By contrast, the '61 and '62 Packers had 9 HOFers and Paul Hornung (I couldn't resist). The late '70s Steelers had 8 HOFers and Lynn Swann. The highest the Cowboys got to was 7, but that includes Herb Adderly and Lance Alworth.
Regardless, you make an interesting observation. The most HOFers on a team that didn't win a title in the season or question or right around it, was the '66 Redskins. I talked about them in Podcast #2.
*Unless you want to count Steve Young.
Other examples are the 80s and early 90s Redskins (Riggins/Monk/Darrell Green), with only Jacoby and Grimm being discussed to join them in Canton, and their other Pro-Bowl players of that era (Theismann, Byner, Clark, Butz, Moseley) have really no chance. The same occurs with the Giants (Taylor/Carson), with Simms, Bavaro, Ottis Anderson in the very edge.
As for the 49ers, if you look also in their '94 team (who also had Deion Sanders and Ken Norton) you will have to consider Ricky Watters (who hadn't had much support, even that he is the only players to have rush for 1,000 yards for three different teams, and had an outstanding game at the Super Bowl), but it's interesting that none offensive lineman from all their SB teams really has no chance of being enshrined, but you have many ProBowl quallity players (Cross, Fahnhorst, Quillan, Sapolu, McIntyre, Barton, Wallace).
I enjoy your great work, and I am waiting to see and discuss the others All-Decade teams.
Re #11:
I don't think it's because fewer players are getting elected to the Hall, but more teams being added to the league and more even distribution of talent now.
Thanks, Gary.
Without discussing the old teams, I don't think any of the players you mentioned are serious snubs. There are many QBs more Canton-ready than Simms, and he's probably got the best case of those Giants. Ricky Watters was a solid and valuable player, but he was never a dominant player. He's a poor man's version of Curtis Martin, IMO, and would be more of a compiler HOFer than a elite HOFer. None of the SF OL really have the resumes to get in.
On the Redskins, outside of Jacoby, none of those players have strong arguments, either.
For whatever reason, the recent championship teams don't have the star power to deserve five or six HOFers. I'm sure free agency and expansion have something to do with that. I have not given serious thought as to whether or not those Packers and Steelers teams were deserving of five or six (or more) HOFers, although I'm sure we can all find a couple of players from those teams whom we find undeserving.
Re #12:
Chase, I have the 66 Redskins with 6 HOF players.
The 71 Raiders had 8 HOF players (plus Madden, HOF HC) and didn't win a title until 1976 (when they had Madden and 6 HOF players).
I also think you can count the 1958 Browns who had 7 HOF players and HOF HC Paul Brown. They won a title in 55, but then Graham retired and they didn't win another until 1964.
The 1965 Bears had 6 HOF players and HOF HC George Halas. They won a title in 1963, but that team didn't have players like Sayers or Butkus.
The 1954-56 49ers had 6 HOF players (3 in the backfield) three years in a row.
The 1963 Giants had 6 HOF players, and their last title at that point was 1956.
I think those are most of the examples of teams with 6+ HOFers that didn't win a title in a close enough range to that year.
I had missed the 49ers for some reason -- three HOF RBs and a HOF QB is not going to be matched again for quite some time.
I was speaking more generally about winning a title - most of the players on the other teams you mentioned at least one a title at some point with the team in question. Doug Atkins and Stan Jones won titles with the Bears, Shell/Upshaw/Biletnikoff won a title with the Raiders. Robustelli/Huff/Gifford/Brown won a title with the Giants. Ford and Groza and McCormack won titles with the Browns, and Jim Brown would later win one too.
I was just focusing on how the Redskins never got much out of their guys. Of their six HOFers, none of them made a playoff game with Washington except for Taylor, and that wasn't until '71.
Maybe it's just because I'm a niners fan or maybe I just think of dynasty in different terms, but I'd consider the 49ers dynasty as stretching from 1981 to 1998. I know their last SB was 1994, but they were an average 12-4 team in those 4 later years. If it were 1998 and you hadn't seen them fall apart yet, wouldn't you consider their dynasty still alive? If you extend it to 98, you can throw T.O. onto the list, even though he wasn't on any of the SB teams.
Interesting that the 90's Bills already have 4 players (Kelly, Thomas, Smith, Lofton) and the coach in there. If they ever got Tasker & Andre Reed, that'd put them on a pretty high pedestal for teams since 1978.
I agree with giving Foreman a spot instead of Campbell based on overall impact on the decade, but I think Franco should get the other second team rb spot. True, Mitchell was the better receiving threat (though Franco was adequate in that role, when called upon) and he did have a pretty impressive stretch from 1975-77, but I think Franco had the better overall body of work. He rushed for over 1,000 yards in every season he played in during the decade except the '73 season, during which he was slowed by injury for part of the year, and he accounted for almost twice as many TDs as Mitchell did (76-47). And, while it shouldn't be the be-all end-all, you do have to take into account the fact that Franco generally played very well in postseason games while Mitchell did not.
Scott,
I see your point -- it's a typical quality/quantity debate. I've got Mitchell's three best seasons being better than any of Harris' best years, but Harris' fifth best season is better than Mitchell's fourth best.
The problem with Harris is he just didn't have any big years; I've got '75 and '76 as Harris' best years, but he had 9 and 8 fumbles (3 and 2 recovered) in those two seasons. He never once had above average receiving numbers, and he only ranked in the top seven in yards from scrimmage in one season.
But yes, Harris was more consistent and had some huge post-season moments. Mitchell's an underrated player, though.
"When you think of wide receivers and NFL history, you don’t think of the 1970s. You’re about to see why..."
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My research for the NFL HOF and various sports software companies, in adddition to probably having watched more entire NFL games from the '70s than anyone alive today (other than NFL Coaches from that era), is what lead me to hit you with three question marks.
During this era, especially 70-77, it was extremely difficult for a receiver to get open. They could be hit anywhere on the field, until the QB released the ball, there was no 5 yard rule. Offensive linemen were not allowed to use their hands while blocking.
Nearly every play you witness in NFL Football today would be called back for holding in the '70s and the majority of the 300 pound plus offensive linemen of today would have to go on a diet or they would be cut from the team.
Best decade for Wide Receivers from 1966-present (Super Bowl Era)? The 1970s would be my first choice.
DC,
Who would you say were the best 5 WRs from the '70s?
Paul Warfield stands out in my mind as the number #1 receiver. I don't really go by stats, I've seen all these guys play and rate them on ability. He spent his entire career with running teams, Browns and Dolphins and played in an era where teams ran the ball more often then they passed. He was very difficult (impossible) to cover, an outstanding blocker (for a WR), had great hands, but his hands were not as good as Swann, Largent and Biletnikoff.
Fred Biletnikoff was simply amazing, he caught passes that were uncatchable, a cornerback could do his job and cover him like glue and Fred would still make the catch.
Charley Taylor was a near perfect wide receiver. I can't say too many good things about him.
Near the end of the decade Largent and Lofton came onto to the scene, and must be considered. Lofton was incredible during his Packer years and Largent was amazing.
Swann and Stallworth were also amazing, it was almost unfair to have a team with these two guys. The Steelers ran the ball mostly in those days, when the rules changed in 1978, they opened it up and no one could really cover Stallworth and Swann. The best job I have ever seen covering these guys would be Willie Brown and Skip Thomas, but again this was Pre-1978. Even Ken Riley and Lemar Parrish had their hands full with these guys.
The Harolds, Jackson and Carmichael were consistantly great and both deserve to be in the HOF. Isaac Curtis and Gene Washington have something in common, they terrorized defensive backs their first 4-5 seasons,but then their level of play tailed off. They both had seasons as good if not better than the men I rank ahead of them.
Picking the top #5 is really tough. If you exclude Largent and Lofton because you think of them more as '80s players even though their careers began in '70s, then I would go with this list:
1.Paul Warfield
2.Charley Taylor
3.Lynn Swann
4.John Stallworth
5.Fred Biletnikoff
Honorable mention:Curtis,Carmichael,Jackson
Those I didn't talk about who were great receivers:Drew Pearson and John Gilliam.
The ultimate speed burners of the '70s were Cliff Branch and Mel Gray, but I would not put either in my top 5 list. Roger Carr had a few killer years as did Otis Taylor in 1970,71.
When evaluating and comparing WRs from different decades you really have to take into consideration that the rules were radically different.
Likewise, when you compare cornerbacks from the '70s it may appear that they are better as a group than the cornerbacks of the '80s, '90s and '00s (when you look at the stats). This would be a mistake because it is much more difficult to cover a receiver now as opposed to then.
The rule changes drastically changed the game, especially defenisve strategy.
Thanks for the comments, Dean.
Rest assured, all of our statistics are era-adjusted. So WRs in the 1975 get compared to other WRs in 1975, and CBs in 2008 get compared to other CBs in 2008.
Chase, if this in fact your web site, I think it is fantastic. I use it frequently for my research. It is nice to have info like this at the click of mouse, saves me a tremendous amount time. When we grade players it is mostly from watching film. I'm not saying that we never look at stats, but we go by the film and memories (for us dinosaurs) of having been there watching the games live. Last year we were grading guards from the '60s,'70s and '80s. You can't truly appreciate the greatness of some of the players without the benefit of re-watching the games and focusing on matchups.
I was particularly impressed by Joe DeLamielleure. We focused on his matchups against Pittsburgh and how he dealt with Joe Greene. Teams used to double and triple team Joe Greene, he was a force. The way Joe D. played against the better defensive tackles in the league, when I focused on just watching his performance, made me an instant fan.
I found your offensive tackle choices interesting. There was no better pure power blocker at tackle than Art Shell during the '70s. George Kunz played for losing teams, had he been on the Vikings or Cowboys he probably would in the HOF. Not taking anything away from Yary and Wright, they both deserve to be in Canton. I would have a hard time keeping Shell off my first team.
I think Dr. Z would agree
see this...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/centurys_best/news/1999/10/06/nfl_allcentury_team/