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Red flags on Matt Leinart and Vince Young
The difference between the draft chatter you get here and the draft chatter you get everywhere else is that I admit I have no idea what I'm talking about. Still, it's Draft Eve and I can't resist sharing my impression on two of the most talked-about prospects in the draft.
I am not one of these never-ever-use-a-high-pick-on-a-quarterback guys, but I would not use a high pick on either of these two. Vince Young, in my opinion, has several small red flags, and Matt Leinart has one very big one.
First let me say that I don't have anything against either of these two. Quite the contrary; I have much appreciation for anyone that lays a beatdown on the Sooners and these two guys have certainly done that in the last two years. Aside from that, I am indifferent about Leinart. But Young I like. He's a lot of fun to watch and I hope he has a long and successful career so that I can watch a lot more of him.
Young's red flags are the ones everyone talks about: the funny release, the lack of experience in a pro-style offense, and the Wonderlic rumors. Each of these, considered individually, is not a big deal. If his only red flag was one of these, I'd take him at #1 without hesitation. But the three of them add up to a bit of concern in my mind. Were I an NFL GM, I'd certainly be a bit scared of the possibility that he'd kick my tail for the next 15 seasons with the team that picked after me, but I wouldn't take him.
Leinart, on the other hand, has no small red flags. He looks like the perfect prospect. He throws a pretty ball and does so with a scout-approved motion. He has a strong arm. He has big game experience and experience working with an NFL offensive coordinator. He even showed some impressive raw athletic ability at USC's pro day.
But I can't get past the fact that he came back for his senior season.
Please understand, I'm not saying his choice was the wrong choice for Matt Leinart the human being. I think it was a cool thing to do. If he were my son, I'd have been proud of his decision to return to USC and play another season just for fun. But if I'm considering paying him 20 million dollars to quarterback my NFL franchise, that's not an attitude I want to see. He very likely would have been the #1 pick in last year's draft. But unlike, say, Peyton Manning, he had the national championship. He had the Heisman. He had nothing to gain but fun. Gaining fun is what most 21-year-old people try to do; I understand that and I generally approve of it. But I don't think it's what Tom Brady would have done in the same situation. I don't think it's what Joe Montana would have done in the same situation. I don't think it's what Peyton Manning would have done in the same situation (yeah, you heard me, I said the same situation. I'd argue that Manning's situation was almost the exact opposite of Leinart's.).
I'll leave you with this question:
Suppose you're the Titans or the Jets or whoever, some team that's looking for a quarterback. While you're on the clock, God himself calls your war room phone and tells you that Leinart will have a career almost identical to Drew Bledsoe's. He unfortunately remains tight-lipped about everyone else. Do you take Leinart or not?
When you look at Bledsoe's career, there is a lot to like: he is currently the 7th-most prolific passer of all time by yards and 13th by touchdowns. He has won two AFC championship games (though both have asterisks). He has been to four Pro Bowls and has generally been a very solid quarterback for 13 years. But something is missing. He never has seemed --- to me anyway --- like a player you'd trade a top five draft pick for.
I unfortunately have not received any calls with inside knowledge about Matt Leinart's future. But the lack of fire/intensity/urgency/whatever revealed in Leinart's decision to return to "school" is evident in Bledsoe's personality as well. My gut tells me that Drew Bledsoe is Matt Leinart's upside.
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I guess I should first mention that I *am* from the camp that thinks you should never draft a QB in the first two rounds. The only exception is if you've got a sure-fire, lights-out pick like Carson Palmer.
Second, you've misspoke on Leinart--one of his knocks is his weak arm. I think Drew Brees had the same knock, but he seems to have done alright.
Leinart doesn't seem serious about football, as you've demonstrated well. I'd pass. That said, he is the most 'football ready.' I thought he just didn't want to play for San Francisco (even though it is in California).
Young is a brick, and won't be able to digest a complex playbook. If they let him improvise (as the Falcs should be doing, but are not doing, with Vick) he will go down in history as the QB with the most rushing yards of all-time. Some jackass will try to make him a pocket passer, though, and he'll sink into mediocrity. Look for Cutler or Croyle to be the best QB out of this draft.
"a sure-fire, lights-out pick like Carson Palmer"
I think that's hindsight talking. You personally may have thought he was a sure thing, but there were doubters aplenty. His main knock was that he had only had one good season after a career of underachieving.
My memory is pretty horrific, but I don't recall that much controversy over Palmer being anything but the consensus #1. What I do remember is sighing when the Bears took Cade McNown. I like to think I'm pretty good at calling out the QBs with bright futures ahead of time. .
Here's a better example if you don't like Palmer as a sure-fire lock (although I think at very least he was the undisputed best of his class):
Troy Aikmen.
I'm not sure why playing another season of college should count against Leinart. I don't know why he decided to play again, but part of it may have been that he didn't want to play for the 49ers.
Leinart probably lost out on a few million dollars by staying in school. That took guts. I don't think he did it because he was lazy or uninterested. I think he was really enjoying playing at USC and wanted to try and win another Heisman and National Championship. Those seem like good things to me.
BEN - Why on earth were you upset with the Bears drafting Cade McNown? What could you have possibly known at the time that pick was made that would have led you to believe that he would not be a good NFL QB.
I watched many many UCLA games, and Cade was a gamer. Very Favre-like. It wasn't until AFTER he was drafted that the handicapped parking scandal broke, and when he was with the Bears that his general bad attitude surfaced. While playing at UCLA, I had never heard of any of these problems.
I knew Doug's feelings on this issue, and I think we had a health debate about it in LV. I admire everything that Doug does, but I'm at the complete opposite spectrum on this issue.
For starters, I'm also not concerned about Leinart's arm. His alleged weak arm is significantly overstated. But returning for your senior year of college is not a negative.
Sure, he had accomplished a lot -- although he had the chance to go down as the greatest college QB ever perhaps, and USC as the greatest college football team ever. Perhaps he saw playing one year with the 49ers or one year with the Trojans, and thought two things: I'd have a lot more fun playing at USC, and I'd help prepare myself a lot more for the rest of my NFL career.
He played football last year; it's just a question of whether he sat on the bench for 10 games and then played 6 games on an awful team, or got to play in high-pressured games every week.
Staying at USC an extra year might land him in Tennessee instead of San Francisco. I think that's a better spot to be in. It could lengthen his career and get him a bigger second contract.
All I know is that if Tennessee grabs a QB, doesn't matter which, he will succeed. Jeff Fisher & Co. showed guts a lot of NFL personell don't these days when they drafted McNair & then sat him behin Chandler for nearly 2 full seasons. Watch & Learn, then Watch him Win...not a bad idea. Then again, you got those special people like Aikman who just got "it" by getting beating like Carr for the first few seasons of his career...anyone remember Aikman getting sacked by the Eagles 11 times in one game back in 1991?
RICHIE: #1, Cade was the 5th QB taken--that tells me most of the good ones were gone. Second, he was small--I've never been a fan of small QBs because they inevitably get killed (sans Doug Flutie). 3rd, our defense AND O-line were horrible those years. I thought the pick would have been better spent improving the D, or protecting Jim Miller (who was doing a fine job) and Shane Matthews (who turned out to be a gem backup). We had greater needs.
For those keeping score, Leinart stayed at USC for ballroom dancing. You can't put a price on how much fun college is--that's speaking from experience. Unless you are matt--his price tag according to profootballtalk.com was $40 million dollars to play an extra year. News outlets are reporting $10 million in GUARANTEED losses, so $40 is probably pretty close to the mark. Dumbass.
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Re Leinart going number 1 last year, supposedly a big factor in his decision was that he was hurt in the offseason or recovering from a surgery that meant he'd have to skip the combine and wouldn't have been able to work out for any teams. With that in mind and how far LenDale White slipped due to not working out in the offseason he probably did better for himself by staying in school!
Ummm....Drew Bledsoe was EAGER to join NFL (declared he'd enter draft at Age 20) drafted and starting NFL QB at Age 21 after leaving college EARLY and without a Heisman or National Title.
With all the High first round busts I think getting a good QB like Bledsoe was an above average use of a #1 pick historically speaking.