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Guest post: Will we ever see another John L. Williams?
This is a guest post by David Shick! Its purpose is three-fold:
- To pass the time until the actual training camp news starts flowing;
- to appreciate the under-appreciated career of John L. Williams;
- to use the power of the p-f-r blog readership to determine whether Williams was, in fact, the last of his kind.
David's post is inside the quote-mark thingies. I've got a few comments at the end.
Head coach (Ground) Chuck Knox brought his run happy offense to the northwest in 1983. The Seahawks quickly traded up in the first round of Knox's first draft to take running back Curt Warner from Penn State University so Knox would have his featured tailback. Warner set Seahawk records for carries (335), rushing yards (1449), and rushing touchdowns (13) in his rookie campaign, but Knox wasn't happy. He wanted a fullback to complement his new weapon. To top that off Knox must have really blown a gasket when Warner blew his ACL only one game into the 1984 season. Dave Krieg attempted 480 passes that season. This would not do. With the first Seahawk pick in 1985 Knox selected fullback Owen Gill. Gill didn't make it out of training camp on the roster. Krieg attempted 532 passes in 1985. Knox was losing his mind. With the fifteenth pick in the first round of the 1986 draft Knox selected fullback John L. Williams from the University of Florida. Can you imagine your current favorite team selecting a fullback with their first overall pick in back to back years?
Williams had an immediate impact on the Seattle offense. He and starting tailback Curt Warner were both on the field for virtually every down. His career statistics tell the whole story. We're talking about a fullback here. Not a featured tailback. Warner never came close to the number of touches he had during his rookie year. He and Williams literally shared the load. During the bulk of his productive years in Seattle Williams was getting 10+ carries and 4+ receptions each game.
+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | 1986 sea | 16 | 129 538 4.2 0 | 33 219 6.6 0 | | 1987 sea | 12 | 113 500 4.4 1 | 38 420 11.1 3 | | 1988 sea | 16 | 189 877 4.6 4 | 58 651 11.2 3 | | 1989 sea | 15 | 146 499 3.4 1 | 76 657 8.6 6 | | 1990 sea | 16 | 187 714 3.8 3 | 73 699 9.6 0 | | 1991 sea | 16 | 188 741 3.9 4 | 61 499 8.2 1 | | 1992 sea | 16 | 114 339 3.0 1 | 74 556 7.5 2 | | 1993 sea | 16 | 82 371 4.5 3 | 58 450 7.8 1 | | 1994 pit | 15 | 68 317 4.7 1 | 51 378 7.4 2 | | 1995 pit | 11 | 29 110 3.8 0 | 24 127 5.3 1 | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | TOTAL | 149 | 1245 5006 4.0 18 | 546 4656 8.5 19 | +----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+Seattle fans loved Williams. He was our special weapon and no one else had one. Perhaps some of the softest hands out of the backfield in the history of the NFL. He caught everything remotely close. In interviews he was humble and soft spoken very similarly to Seattle Mariner DH Edgar Martinez. Produce on the field and finish it off with an "Aw, shucks fellas". My favorite Williams play was from a game in 1986. It was week seven at home against the eventual Super Bowl champion New York Giants. Late in the game with a one point lead Williams got together on the sidelines with QB Dave Krieg and head coach Chuck Knox. He described a problem with the Giant defense that lead to a vulnerability. If they ran a screen in just such a way he would easily get free. It led to a huge gain (fifty yards? I can't remember the exact yardage) setting up a short Warner touchdown sealing the win. That was the last game the 1986 Giants lost before posting twelve consecutive wins including a Super Bowl victory over Denver.
I was explaining Williams' uniqueness to my wife probing for another player similar to Williams in the past twenty years. Her only guess was Mike Alstott, but I wonder if he really counts. Was Alstott a fullback, or just an oversized tailback? I don't recall seeing him in games as a lead blocker on first and second down. The modern day fullbacks like Seattle's Mack Strong and San Diego's Lorenzo Neal rarely get touches. I would love to get some feedback on this concept. I ask because I don't know. Was the Warner/Williams combo really the last two back tandem that was on the field together every down sharing duties? Kiick and Morris? Bleier and Harris? I expect to hear about Bush and McAllister in New Orleans, but again, they're both tailbacks splitting carries. Neither is a real fullback, right?
For what it's worth, here are a few names to start the discussion:
- Williams' college teammate Neal Anderson was a similar player, and just as good. He eventually transitioned to a more traditional tailback role, but he shared the backfield early in his career with Walter Payton.
- After the aforementioned transition, Brad Muster shared the backfield with Neal Anderson. Muster wasn't a bad player, but he was no Williams.
- It seems likely that the Williams role is what the Browns had in mind for Tommy Vardell when they drafted him in 1992. That obviously didn't work out.
- This is pure speculation on my part, but it's conceivable that William Floyd might have become a Williams-like player had he not gotten hurt early in his career.
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I *heart* John L. - he was my favorite player when I was growing up
Richie Anderson ('00) and JLW ('92) are two of the only fullbacks I can think of that led their teams in receptions.
How about "Ironhead" Craig Heyward? I believe he served that JLW-type FB role in NO, then sort of floated between that and being a power tailback the rest of his career. He even ran fo 1000 yards once!
As a foot note, Bears fans should remember Raymont "Ultraback" Harris, who had a pair of nice seasons.
Re #2 - Centers '95
Thanks for the input guys. Anderson, Heyward, Harris, and Centers all deserve consideration.
Another question: Anyone know of a college fullback that has JLW potential? Perhaps both the college and pro games have evolved to the point where we might never see another like him?
Is this John L. the same one that coaches(d) at Michigan State?
I think that a case could be made for Tom Rathman. True, he only topped 100 carries twice in his career (and barely each time) - but he was also a good receiver (73 catches in 1989) and lead blocker for Roger Craig who could be on the field regardless of the situation.
As far as hybrid/multipurpose fullbacks go, I think that Brian Leonard - the Rams rookie from Rutgers could carry on the tradition. Based on this article it looks like Linehan wants to use him in a variey of situations.
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/rams/story/621E1E781B44EAC8862572DA0010F882?OpenDocument
I second the Rathman nomination. How about Charles Way? Kevin Mack? Can't remember if either was a true, fulltime FB when they had their best seasons...
I suspect fullbacks will have their day again at some point...everything is cyclical in the NFL.
Brian Leonard could definitely be that guy,if Linehan wasn't the coach. He's not going to use Leonard properly, I can tell you that from his time as the Fins' offensive coordinator, brief as it was. Leonard definitely won't be scoring many TDs seeing as Linehan would apparently rather have his eyes gouged out with red-hot pokers than run the ball inside the red zone.
John L RAWKED~! And I wasn't even a Seahawks fan. I still remember using him in Tecmo Bowl. Thanks for taking me down memory lane.
MRH, thanks for mentioning Larry Centers. Talk about an underrated player. He was well lauded as a FB, but his value as a FP (football player) was understated. Not the most scintillating ground gainer, but a geniuine weapon as a receiver.
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Brings back memories of Thurman Thomas. Having him was like playing with 12 guys on offense.
I think Greg Jones definitely has the potential to be that kind of back today.
Great post. I remember Warrick Dunn and Edgar Bennett sharing the backfield for FSU in the 90s. Bennett's role clearly changed when he was drafted.
Richie,
No. They both spell and pronounce their names differently.
Walter Payton's last home regular season game was against the Seahawks. There was much ceremony and anticipation. The Bears lost and it turned out to be a coming out party for John L. Williams. Payton had his most productive game of that season, however, JLW had a good game and I remember a big pass play he had that put the Bears away.
The Payton/Anderson lineup was flawed. Both guys needed carries. Neither got enough. Brad Muster started to have too many nagging injuries. I don't remember him fondly, but looking at his production, he was pretty good. Raymont Harris and Craig Heyward played in very dark days for the Bears. Matt Suhey was Payton's longtime backfield mate and a fan favorite. His touches and production were not in JLW's league, but he could run, catch, and block well.
And now we come to Roland Harper, Payton's early backfield mate. He come close to gaining 1,000 yards rushing while sharing the carries with Payton. Injuries cut his career short.
Larry Centers had the misfortune of playing for the Cardinals.
Richie - The one that used to coach at Michigan State was John L. Smith.
By the way, although Neal Anderson played fullback for that season, but he really was not a fullback.
Tom Rathman was a good fullback. I liked the Byner/Mack backfield.
How many teams use the I-formation anymore?
Up until recently (the last couple of years), the Packers had been giving William Henderson a few touches per game, and frequently used the I-formation. But his numbers were nowhere close to this. I believe his best seasons were something on the order of 200 yards receiving, maybe 100-200 yards rushing. (Feel free to correct me, that's just a guess.)
Interesting article, thanks.
Will: All teams use the I formation at least occasionally. When I get my copy of Pro Football Prospectus 2007, I'll be able to tell you exactly how many times each team used it.
It seems to me the split backs/pro set look is the one that's disappearing.
I was just having this conversation with Seahawks fans this weekend. John L Williams was hugely underrated as a player. He was strong runner, a devastating blocker, and an excellent receiver. He was a smart player and he did it well for a long time. The other guys that have been mentioned (Rathman, et. al.) had a just a few good years. I really think that John L should be a Hall of Famer, but they just don't seem to induct Fullbacks.
The closest I can come up with are a trio of Chiefs. Kimble Anders (http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=AND015193) was more of a receiving fullback in the mold of Larry Centers, but was a better blocker and runner. In 1999 and 2000 Tony Richardson (http://www.nfl.com/players/tonyrichardson/profile?id=RIC389026) filled a role rather similar to Williams, only he wasn't as good of a receiver but a better blocker. Finally, there's Barry Word (http://www.databasefootball.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=WORDBAR01) but he's almost more in the mold of an Alstott, where he was an overgrown tailback who split carries (in this case with an even more overgrown tailback in Christian Okoye, but Okoye's case he was definitely used just as a tailback).
I would say that Keith Byars was very similar during his time with the Eagles. He had a lot of carries and was their leading receiver several seasons. Later in his career he was strictly a receiving and blocking FB