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ShareThisScattered thoughts: Brady Quinn and Browns/Bengals
1. I floated this question at the footballguys message board and got a variety of responses. Does Notre Dame's 2007 season alter your opinion of Brady Quinn? With Brady Quinn at the helm, Notre Dame was 19-6 in 2005 and 2006. Without him, they're 0-3 and haven't scored an offensive touchdown. I understand that it's not a completely ceteris paribus situation, but it's not like the first and second rounds of the last few drafts have been filled with Fighting Irish. Here are the Notre Dame products drafted in the first two rounds of the last two drafts:
Tackle Ryan Harris, 3rd round, 2007
Guard Dan Santucci, 7th round, 2007
Tight End Anthony Fasano, 2nd round, 2006
Wide Receiver Maurice Stovall, 3rd round, 2006
Guard Dan Stevenson, 6th round, 2006
And Quinn, of course. An honorable mention should probably noted for Jeff Samardzija, the big wide receiver who probably would have been drafted in the second or third round in 2007 had he not opted to play baseball instead. So, while I understand that Quinn is not the only difference between the 06 and 07 versions of the Irish, I don't see USC or LSU or Ohio State --- the teams Quinn was criticized for not beating --- sweating the loss of a handful of late-rounders. It's probably a stretch to say his record should be compared with Jay Cutler's, but it's clearly unfair to compare his win-loss record in college to that of Matt Leinart, Vince Young, and JaMarcus Russell.
2. The 51-45 Browns/Bengals game reminded every one of the 58-48 game they played a few years ago. It made me wonder what the highest scoring series has been during the last few decades. The highest scoring series from 1990--2007, measured by average total points per game (minimum 15 games) is Atlanta/San Francisco. But that was the 49ers doing most of the scoring. I think the more fun thing to measure might be the average score of the losing team. That would give us a sense of which series consistently had both teams scoring. Instead of giving you the answers, I'll pose it as a trivia question:
What series (minimum 15 games) has had the highest average losing score during the period 1990--2007? [It's not Browns/Bengals, nor is it 49ers/Falcons] Also, what series has had the lowest average winning score during the same period?
UPDATE: here are the answers:
Highest scoring losing teams
Average scores
Tm-wins Tm-wins winner loser
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car- 8 sfo- 7 29.6 19.5
jax- 9 bal- 6 25.8 18.3
atl- 8 sfo-17 33.3 18.3
gnb-17 min-17 26.8 18.0
det-12 min-23 26.8 17.9
ari- 6 sfo-10 26.8 17.6
nor-15 stl-11 27.7 17.0
atl-20 nor-15 26.1 16.9
den-18 kan-17 25.8 16.8
ari- 8 stl- 8 26.5 16.8
den-18 sea- 8 25.1 16.5
kan-27 oak- 8 25.6 16.5
cin-14 cle-15 28.3 16.4
cin- 8 ten-20 31.6 16.3
det-12 gnb-24 27.2 16.3
ind-19 nyj- 7 23.8 16.1
atl-14 stl-12 32.2 15.8
mia-14 nyj-20 25.7 15.6
oak-17 sea- 9 27.4 15.5
den-22 sdg-12 26.9 15.5
cle- 7 ten-13 27.6 15.5
kan-22 sdg-13 24.9 15.5
den-21 oak-15 26.6 15.4
chi-16 min-19 25.7 15.4
cin-10 bal-13 26.1 15.3
ind-10 mia-17 25.9 15.3
buf-22 mia-16 27.2 15.3
buf-20 nyj-14 25.3 15.3
mia-21 nwe-14 24.3 15.2
stl-12 sfo-23 29.6 15.2
ind- 9 ten- 6 28.3 15.1
sdg-13 sea-13 24.3 15.1
ten-14 pit-13 27.2 15.0
ari-11 was-15 27.0 15.0
car-13 nor-11 24.0 14.9
kan-18 sea- 8 25.5 14.8
phi-23 was-13 23.9 14.7
ari-12 phi-14 24.2 14.7
cin- 5 jax-11 25.0 14.6
jax-11 ten-15 23.9 14.6
min-13 tam-13 26.5 14.6
ind- 9 nwe-19 25.2 14.5
cin-11 pit-23 26.1 14.4
dal-22 was-12 25.9 14.3
car-10 stl- 7 27.9 13.8
nwe-19 nyj-16 25.8 13.8
nor-10 sfo-17 26.3 13.7
pit-13 bal- 9 25.0 13.7
nyg-17 phi-17 23.9 13.6
ten- 7 bal- 8 22.5 13.6
nyg-20 was-13 25.8 13.6
chi-12 gnb-22 27.0 13.4
dal-18 nyg-17 25.2 13.4
atl- 8 tam-11 27.4 13.2
oak-17 sdg-17 23.8 13.2
chi-17 det-17 24.6 13.2
nor-11 tam- 8 22.9 13.1
ari- 8 nyg-19 22.3 13.1
buf-15 ind-11 26.3 13.0
det-13 tam-14 25.6 12.6
dal-17 phi-19 26.8 12.4
atl-15 car- 9 24.5 12.2
buf-14 nwe-20 25.2 11.9
gnb-19 tam- 9 22.8 11.7
jax-10 pit- 8 22.8 11.3
ari- 7 dal-22 25.9 11.2
chi-17 tam-11 24.0 10.9
cle- 7 pit-23 24.0 10.7
cle- 5 bal-11 24.9 10.6
Lowest scoring winning teams
Average scores
Tm-wins Tm-wins winner loser
==============================
ari- 8 nyg-19 22.3 13.1
ten- 7 bal- 8 22.5 13.6
jax-10 pit- 8 22.8 11.3
gnb-19 tam- 9 22.8 11.7
nor-11 tam- 8 22.9 13.1
ind-19 nyj- 7 23.8 16.1
oak-17 sdg-17 23.8 13.2
nyg-17 phi-17 23.9 13.6
jax-11 ten-15 23.9 14.6
phi-23 was-13 23.9 14.7
cle- 7 pit-23 24.0 10.7
chi-17 tam-11 24.0 10.9
car-13 nor-11 24.0 14.9
ari-12 phi-14 24.2 14.7
mia-21 nwe-14 24.3 15.2
sdg-13 sea-13 24.3 15.1
atl-15 car- 9 24.5 12.2
chi-17 det-17 24.6 13.2
cle- 5 bal-11 24.9 10.6
kan-22 sdg-13 24.9 15.5
cin- 5 jax-11 25.0 14.6
pit-13 bal- 9 25.0 13.7
den-18 sea- 8 25.1 16.5
dal-18 nyg-17 25.2 13.4
buf-14 nwe-20 25.2 11.9
ind- 9 nwe-19 25.2 14.5
buf-20 nyj-14 25.3 15.3
kan-18 sea- 8 25.5 14.8
det-13 tam-14 25.6 12.6
kan-27 oak- 8 25.6 16.5
chi-16 min-19 25.7 15.4
mia-14 nyj-20 25.7 15.6
nyg-20 was-13 25.8 13.6
den-18 kan-17 25.8 16.8
jax- 9 bal- 6 25.8 18.3
nwe-19 nyj-16 25.8 13.8
ind-10 mia-17 25.9 15.3
dal-22 was-12 25.9 14.3
ari- 7 dal-22 25.9 11.2
cin-11 pit-23 26.1 14.4
atl-20 nor-15 26.1 16.9
cin-10 bal-13 26.1 15.3
buf-15 ind-11 26.3 13.0
nor-10 sfo-17 26.3 13.7
ari- 8 stl- 8 26.5 16.8
min-13 tam-13 26.5 14.6
den-21 oak-15 26.6 15.4
ari- 6 sfo-10 26.8 17.6
det-12 min-23 26.8 17.9
dal-17 phi-19 26.8 12.4
gnb-17 min-17 26.8 18.0
den-22 sdg-12 26.9 15.5
chi-12 gnb-22 27.0 13.4
ari-11 was-15 27.0 15.0
buf-22 mia-16 27.2 15.3
ten-14 pit-13 27.2 15.0
det-12 gnb-24 27.2 16.3
atl- 8 tam-11 27.4 13.2
oak-17 sea- 9 27.4 15.5
cle- 7 ten-13 27.6 15.5
nor-15 stl-11 27.7 17.0
car-10 stl- 7 27.9 13.8
ind- 9 ten- 6 28.3 15.1
cin-14 cle-15 28.3 16.4
car- 8 sfo- 7 29.6 19.5
stl-12 sfo-23 29.6 15.2
cin- 8 ten-20 31.6 16.3
atl-14 stl-12 32.2 15.8
atl- 8 sfo-17 33.3 18.3
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My guesses:
Highest scoring: It's going to be a series where the teams have been roughly equal over the years, so I am going to go with the Falcons-Saints.
Lowest scoring: the opposite, two teams that have not been generally near each other in the standings most years. I'll go with Buffalo and New England, where the Bills were starting to decline just as New England was becoming a power. Second choice would be the Browns vs. Steelers.
No clue for either one, but I'm willing to bet that the series with the lowest scoring loser is probably Chicago-Green Bay, as they never seem to be good at the same time.
My guess for the highest scoring would be Jets/Dolphins. The lowest scoring would be Bears/Bucs.
My guess the Minnesota/Green Bay Series for average highest losing score and the Baltimore/Cleveland Series for average lowest losing score.
I was just thinking, I don't think Baltimore/Cleveland has the prerequisite minimum games. So I think the lowest "winning" (caught that error too) score belongs to the Chicago/Detroit series.
My guess:
Highest losing score: Colts/Pats
(I would say Dallas/49ers, but don't think they have enough games unless you include playoffs)
Lowest winning: Lions/Bears (or some other NFC Central/North foes)
Lowest score: Jets-Patriots
Highest score: Denver-Oakland
That's amazing how Atlanta and St. Louis are almost even since 1990, but the average score is 32 - 16. How is that possible?