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Scattered thoughts: Brady Quinn and Browns/Bengals

Posted by Doug on September 17, 2007

1. I floated this question at the footballguys message board and got a variety of responses. Does Notre Dame's 2007 season alter your opinion of Brady Quinn? With Brady Quinn at the helm, Notre Dame was 19-6 in 2005 and 2006. Without him, they're 0-3 and haven't scored an offensive touchdown. I understand that it's not a completely ceteris paribus situation, but it's not like the first and second rounds of the last few drafts have been filled with Fighting Irish. Here are the Notre Dame products drafted in the first two rounds of the last two drafts:

Tackle Ryan Harris, 3rd round, 2007
Guard Dan Santucci, 7th round, 2007
Tight End Anthony Fasano, 2nd round, 2006
Wide Receiver Maurice Stovall, 3rd round, 2006
Guard Dan Stevenson, 6th round, 2006

And Quinn, of course. An honorable mention should probably noted for Jeff Samardzija, the big wide receiver who probably would have been drafted in the second or third round in 2007 had he not opted to play baseball instead. So, while I understand that Quinn is not the only difference between the 06 and 07 versions of the Irish, I don't see USC or LSU or Ohio State --- the teams Quinn was criticized for not beating --- sweating the loss of a handful of late-rounders. It's probably a stretch to say his record should be compared with Jay Cutler's, but it's clearly unfair to compare his win-loss record in college to that of Matt Leinart, Vince Young, and JaMarcus Russell.

2. The 51-45 Browns/Bengals game reminded every one of the 58-48 game they played a few years ago. It made me wonder what the highest scoring series has been during the last few decades. The highest scoring series from 1990--2007, measured by average total points per game (minimum 15 games) is Atlanta/San Francisco. But that was the 49ers doing most of the scoring. I think the more fun thing to measure might be the average score of the losing team. That would give us a sense of which series consistently had both teams scoring. Instead of giving you the answers, I'll pose it as a trivia question:

What series (minimum 15 games) has had the highest average losing score during the period 1990--2007? [It's not Browns/Bengals, nor is it 49ers/Falcons] Also, what series has had the lowest average winning score during the same period?

UPDATE: here are the answers:

Highest scoring losing teams

                 Average scores
Tm-wins Tm-wins  winner  loser
==============================
car- 8  sfo- 7    29.6   19.5
jax- 9  bal- 6    25.8   18.3
atl- 8  sfo-17    33.3   18.3
gnb-17  min-17    26.8   18.0
det-12  min-23    26.8   17.9
ari- 6  sfo-10    26.8   17.6
nor-15  stl-11    27.7   17.0
atl-20  nor-15    26.1   16.9
den-18  kan-17    25.8   16.8
ari- 8  stl- 8    26.5   16.8
den-18  sea- 8    25.1   16.5
kan-27  oak- 8    25.6   16.5
cin-14  cle-15    28.3   16.4
cin- 8  ten-20    31.6   16.3
det-12  gnb-24    27.2   16.3
ind-19  nyj- 7    23.8   16.1
atl-14  stl-12    32.2   15.8
mia-14  nyj-20    25.7   15.6
oak-17  sea- 9    27.4   15.5
den-22  sdg-12    26.9   15.5
cle- 7  ten-13    27.6   15.5
kan-22  sdg-13    24.9   15.5
den-21  oak-15    26.6   15.4
chi-16  min-19    25.7   15.4
cin-10  bal-13    26.1   15.3
ind-10  mia-17    25.9   15.3
buf-22  mia-16    27.2   15.3
buf-20  nyj-14    25.3   15.3
mia-21  nwe-14    24.3   15.2
stl-12  sfo-23    29.6   15.2
ind- 9  ten- 6    28.3   15.1
sdg-13  sea-13    24.3   15.1
ten-14  pit-13    27.2   15.0
ari-11  was-15    27.0   15.0
car-13  nor-11    24.0   14.9
kan-18  sea- 8    25.5   14.8
phi-23  was-13    23.9   14.7
ari-12  phi-14    24.2   14.7
cin- 5  jax-11    25.0   14.6
jax-11  ten-15    23.9   14.6
min-13  tam-13    26.5   14.6
ind- 9  nwe-19    25.2   14.5 
cin-11  pit-23    26.1   14.4
dal-22  was-12    25.9   14.3
car-10  stl- 7    27.9   13.8
nwe-19  nyj-16    25.8   13.8
nor-10  sfo-17    26.3   13.7
pit-13  bal- 9    25.0   13.7
nyg-17  phi-17    23.9   13.6
ten- 7  bal- 8    22.5   13.6
nyg-20  was-13    25.8   13.6
chi-12  gnb-22    27.0   13.4
dal-18  nyg-17    25.2   13.4
atl- 8  tam-11    27.4   13.2
oak-17  sdg-17    23.8   13.2
chi-17  det-17    24.6   13.2
nor-11  tam- 8    22.9   13.1
ari- 8  nyg-19    22.3   13.1
buf-15  ind-11    26.3   13.0
det-13  tam-14    25.6   12.6
dal-17  phi-19    26.8   12.4
atl-15  car- 9    24.5   12.2
buf-14  nwe-20    25.2   11.9
gnb-19  tam- 9    22.8   11.7
jax-10  pit- 8    22.8   11.3
ari- 7  dal-22    25.9   11.2
chi-17  tam-11    24.0   10.9
cle- 7  pit-23    24.0   10.7
cle- 5  bal-11    24.9   10.6

Lowest scoring winning teams

                 Average scores
Tm-wins Tm-wins  winner  loser
==============================
ari- 8  nyg-19    22.3   13.1
ten- 7  bal- 8    22.5   13.6
jax-10  pit- 8    22.8   11.3
gnb-19  tam- 9    22.8   11.7
nor-11  tam- 8    22.9   13.1
ind-19  nyj- 7    23.8   16.1
oak-17  sdg-17    23.8   13.2
nyg-17  phi-17    23.9   13.6
jax-11  ten-15    23.9   14.6
phi-23  was-13    23.9   14.7
cle- 7  pit-23    24.0   10.7
chi-17  tam-11    24.0   10.9
car-13  nor-11    24.0   14.9
ari-12  phi-14    24.2   14.7
mia-21  nwe-14    24.3   15.2
sdg-13  sea-13    24.3   15.1
atl-15  car- 9    24.5   12.2
chi-17  det-17    24.6   13.2
cle- 5  bal-11    24.9   10.6
kan-22  sdg-13    24.9   15.5
cin- 5  jax-11    25.0   14.6
pit-13  bal- 9    25.0   13.7
den-18  sea- 8    25.1   16.5
dal-18  nyg-17    25.2   13.4
buf-14  nwe-20    25.2   11.9
ind- 9  nwe-19    25.2   14.5
buf-20  nyj-14    25.3   15.3
kan-18  sea- 8    25.5   14.8
det-13  tam-14    25.6   12.6
kan-27  oak- 8    25.6   16.5
chi-16  min-19    25.7   15.4
mia-14  nyj-20    25.7   15.6
nyg-20  was-13    25.8   13.6
den-18  kan-17    25.8   16.8
jax- 9  bal- 6    25.8   18.3
nwe-19  nyj-16    25.8   13.8
ind-10  mia-17    25.9   15.3
dal-22  was-12    25.9   14.3
ari- 7  dal-22    25.9   11.2
cin-11  pit-23    26.1   14.4
atl-20  nor-15    26.1   16.9
cin-10  bal-13    26.1   15.3
buf-15  ind-11    26.3   13.0
nor-10  sfo-17    26.3   13.7
ari- 8  stl- 8    26.5   16.8
min-13  tam-13    26.5   14.6
den-21  oak-15    26.6   15.4
ari- 6  sfo-10    26.8   17.6
det-12  min-23    26.8   17.9
dal-17  phi-19    26.8   12.4
gnb-17  min-17    26.8   18.0
den-22  sdg-12    26.9   15.5
chi-12  gnb-22    27.0   13.4
ari-11  was-15    27.0   15.0
buf-22  mia-16    27.2   15.3
ten-14  pit-13    27.2   15.0
det-12  gnb-24    27.2   16.3
atl- 8  tam-11    27.4   13.2
oak-17  sea- 9    27.4   15.5
cle- 7  ten-13    27.6   15.5
nor-15  stl-11    27.7   17.0
car-10  stl- 7    27.9   13.8
ind- 9  ten- 6    28.3   15.1
cin-14  cle-15    28.3   16.4
car- 8  sfo- 7    29.6   19.5
stl-12  sfo-23    29.6   15.2
cin- 8  ten-20    31.6   16.3
atl-14  stl-12    32.2   15.8
atl- 8  sfo-17    33.3   18.3

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