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Sneak peek at the new p-f-r
I've made vague allusions to this before, but the time has finally come to tell all (or at least tell most).
P-f-r has recently acquired a lot of new data. In particular, we will soon have a page for every player and coach in NFL/AFL/AAFC/APFA history, including old-timers who barely played at all, including defensive players and offensive linemen, and even punters. Those pages will also include some additional stats that we don't currently have, like games started, specific position played (e.g. RDT as opposed to just DL), times sacked, fumbles, fumble recoveries, interceptions, sacks, defensive TDs, kick and punt return data, and more. Also, all stats will be complete for all players, so some of the annoying gaps at p-f-r will be filled. Kordell Stewart's receiving stats, Walter Payton's passing stats, Tom Tupa's punting numbers, Williams Perry's rushing, all a player's stats will appear on his page.
We'll also have some additional biographical information, such as height, weight, birthdate, birthplace, full name, draft round, draft year, and all colleges attended for all players. We'll have all-pro designations in addition to the pro bowl information we already have. We'll have Hall of Fame information.
We'll have much more detailed team stats, including team game logs. Here, for example, is a summary of the 1972 Dolphins' 12th win:
Miami Dolphins 37, New England Patriots 21, at New England
mia nwe
First downs 29 14
Rushes 51 15
Rush yards 304 110
Passes 21 29
Completed 11 15
Pass yards 201 155
Had intercepted 2 2
Sacked 1 4
Yards lost 4 48
Tot net yards 501 217
Fumbles - lost 1- 1 0- 0
Pen - yards 11-115 6- 63
And it will all be hyper-connected in the natural way that has been the hallmark of the sports-reference sites since the beginning.
It's finally time to pull back the curtain on a very preliminary set of player pages. I'm doing this because I'm excited about the future of the site, and I can't hold it in any longer, and also to get feedback from you. So here you are:
An incomplete index of player pages
Season, career, and active leaderboards
UPDATE: here is a link to a temporary front page where you can track all the progress of the new site.
In order to contrast the difference between the current and future player pages, check out Deion Sanders (new old), Mike Singletary (new old), Brian Mitchell (new old), Jackie Slater (new old), Ray Guy (new (there is no old)).
The team pages and everything else at the site will be revamped to a similar degree in the coming weeks. For now, let me know what you think of the player pages and leaderboards. A few things to keep in mind:
- The links to team pages, year pages, game logs, etc. aren't working yet.
- I know many will be disappointed to see the old-school p-f-r pre-formatted text tables replaced by html tables. I am too, a little, and I do understand that the tables will take a little getting used to. But there are lots of good reasons to use html tables rather than pre-formatted text, and the main reason I went with pre-formatted text when the site was new --- to keep the page sizes smaller --- isn't much of an issue anymore.
- The pieces of the current pages that you don't see on these new pages, like college stats, college awards, and fantasy stats, will be added back in soon.
This entry was posted on Friday, November 9th, 2007 at 4:29 am and is filed under P-F-R News. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. Both comments and pings are currently closed.

AWESOME! The more stats the better. Will we be able to download these stats in a DB as well?
Also, I noticed that you gave a draft round on the player page, but the actual pick would also be nice.
Keep pushing the envelope.
AWESOME! Your site is always the first place I go to when I am looking for stats. Now it's going to be even more so.
Very nice. I don't even know where to start. I guess I will start by congratulating Doug for everything he has accomplished over the last few weeks.
Some specific questions/comments:
--is there going to game by game data for any period prior to 1995?
--is the fumble data on the player pages all fumbles (even those recovered by team), or fumbles lost?
--You can search for players by state of birth, and birth day. Very cool. (but how on earth where you able to find out Jerome Bettis was born in Detroit, MI?)
--For players that have well-known nicknames, a future project might be to add those nicknames in parentheses after their full names on the top of the page.
--On the player pages, I like the different general categories (rushing/receiving, defensive, etc), how it only includes a category if a player has some stat in that category, and how it seems to place the primary one (for that player) at the top. --My only suggestion for future would be if you could put an expand/collapse feature on the non-primary categories for that player. Example, I pull up a kicker and want to see his kicking stats, and how many pro bowls. Not really interested in how many passes he threw. But if I want that, I can click on it to expand out and see that info.
Awesome.
Long did I search for a football stats site (especially wherein they could be easily downloaded). I had about given up when I found p-f-r.
In short, you are my hero.
Exciting stuff! Love the format, including the resemblance to baseballreference (You're related, right?)
Agree that the fumble stats are somewhat confusing, but we can adapt. Fumble stats are always confusing - you can go from offense to defense a couple times in the same play.
Hmm... I didn't know that Steve Young's full name was Jon Steven Young. Looks like lots of great new info.
I love the added stuff and detail, especially the rushing/passing/receiving stats for players like Ray Guy.
Very cool. The new features are going to be very nice, but I will miss the simplicity of the old site.
It would be nice if there was some way to have both. For instance, if you could click on Dan Marino's page and get the old PFR site for Dan Marino with just the basic stats that are what most people are primarily looking at, then have a link that would take you to the new extended pages.
The new HTML style still copies and pastes into Excel just fine, so that's good. The only drawback is the asterisks and plusses next to the year make it a little messy if I want to do sorting of the columns.
Are the stats downloads still going to be available? Are stats downloads of the extended stats going to be available?
Ray Guy had a 70.1 career passer rating.
Great stuff, and I can't wait to see the full new site. A couple suggestions:
* First, a basic editing nit: A lot of players are missing their position or have the position name in lowercase (Derrick Alexander's a great example).
* For team pages (and your overall team stats), will team's passing totals reflect losses due to sack yardage? That the one thing that's always bugged me about the site, when I've tried to get accurate numbers for my research.
* And, while I'm sure it's a huge task, providing transaction and salary info, like the BBR pages have, would be stupendous.
Keep up the good work!
Pure awesomeness.. PFR was amazing but lacking the depth, this will really make it the best site out there.
Awesome! I love it. Whenever I hear a stat during a broadcast, I wonder where the heck they got it, and how can it be confirmed (the accountant inside me). Recently Favre broke Elway's "Wins" record of 148 games -- I could never confirm that record. Do the new stats have "wins" somewhere? How about the ever present, "4th Qtr Combacks to Tie or Win" that Elway owned, or the "2 minute drive comebacks" that Marino, Montana, Elway & Favre have all had a piece of? I can never seem to find any documentation of any of those records without looking at specific game box scores and game summaries (and I have no idea if games started are games won, etc, or when the lead fluxuated in the 4th qtr).
Thanks for all your work on this. The site is awesome.
HIGH-FIVE!!!
This gets rid of my need to check databasefootball for all these little extra tidbits of info, thanks.
Excellent... now even better!
I'll take a stab at answering all these questions...
Mike (1), the downloadable database will be maintained going forward with the same data that it currently contains. The new data won't be included, nor will the added historical players.
Draft slot will get added at some point, but probably not for awhile. I.e. not before the grand re-opening of the new p-f-r.
JKL (3), pre-1995 game logs are definitely going to happen at some point, but not in this first flurry of changes.
Fumbles include all fumbles. I don't have data on fumbles lost.
Jason W (11), you couldn't have known this because it's not yet explained on the pages, but the capitals, lower-cases, and blanks actually convey information. Capital means he was the team's main starter at that position that year. Lowercase means he started some minimum number of games (I think 3) at the position, but was not the main starter. Blank means he didn't start many games.
Yes, the team pages will include sack yardage, as they should have all along.
Salary data is probably a pipe dream.
Al (13), we don't have data on QB wins, and don't know where to get it. It's conceivable that this could be a future research project, but it's a long term goal rather than a short term goal.
Thanks for checking it out, everyone. Keep the feedback coming.
Doug,
This is very exciting stuff. For the new all-pro data, whose selections did you use? AP?
How about number of tackles, for defenders? This seems such a basic, essential stat. The numbers are often cited in newspapers or on broadcasts ("Jones led the team with 140 tackles last season"), so obviously they exist somewhere, but I never know where, and they don't seem to be included in your upcoming changes.
Good point Johnny Twisto.
I have tackles, assists, etc in electronic format back to 2002 I think. That definitely will get added to the player pages, probably in the offseason. I also have that data in print form back to 1994. But the league didn't make tackles an official stat until the late 90s sometime. Prior to that, it was an unofficial stat kept by the individual teams. Some teams would credit 8 different players with a tackle on every play, while others were much stingier. I'm not sure how much work I'm willing to do in order to get those questionable numbers up.
But, to answer your question, it's just a matter of time before tackle numbers are posted for as long as tackles have been an official stat.
I had no idea the league didn't officially track them until recently. That's just shocking. I remember seeing tackles listed in the newspaper boxscores (at least for Giants games) since I started following in the mid-80s. Were those numbers always provided to the papers by the teams? Or were they counted by reporters? Or who knows?
Glad you'll add what you can, though.
I noticed one small glitch on the player pages. When a player is listed for more than one team in a year the total stats will pick up ALL numbers in the column (not just the totals of all teams for the year), which causes the career stats to be inflated.
Great stuff. I appreciate your work and will keep up with it.
What happened to wr Rashaun Woods?
I give props where props is due and this is the ultimate site for football stats.
Great news. Pro-Football Database was starting to become my site of choice for the very reason of more complete stats. When this is complete, I'll be back on the pro-football-reference bandwagon.
New pages look great! Finally on par with the baseball and basketball reference pages as far as quality!
wow! great changes! absolutley the best site out there, just what I have spent hours looking for! I had almost given up trying to find a site of this quality!
I love the look of the new player pages!
Thanks for putting so much effort into the Sports Reference sites. I am addicted to Baseball-Reference.com.
I have two suggestions.
1. Can you add links on Deion Sander's and Bo Jackson pages so enbable toggling back and forth between thier football and baseball careers.
2. Can you add playoff stats to the new Pro-Football-Reference.com pages?
Thanks so much!
Paul
HOW ABOUT GIVING SCORING SUMMARIES ALONG WITH THE GAME STATS? THE TWO SEEM TO GO HAND-IN-HAND.
Never knew this site existed.Now I know where to get the stats that I need fast.Scoring summaries would be nice to get as posted above if possible.Great site.Keep up the good work.Very much appreciated.Thanks a bunch!!!
Hi,
Can't way to see the final product!!!!
Where did you find starting lineups and game started information for the 60s and 70s?
I was wondering who was #10 for green bay packers in the year 1950-1960-1970 because my friend gave me a old school jersey. If u could find out for me that would be appreciated. Thanks for the help. Go packers,,,,,,,,,,,, Good job on the page!
Wonderful, I love the way the new player pages look. I can see you've put in time and attention to detail on this. Maybe some day you can also add the CFL to your list of leagues since so many players have crossed over the border (both ways) durning the 20th century!
p-f-r has always been my goto site for football data. This website has been $$$ as a reference tool.
One thing though, on Deion Sanders page on the new site, it says "8-time Pro Bowler & 9-time All-Pro"
How can he be an All-Pro more times than he's been to a Pro-Bowl
This website rocks!
Looks outstanding, Doug. A few suggestions/questions:
1. You mention that blank in a position means a player did not start a minimum number of games. Could you use a different notation that would still show the actual position? This might be useful for players who played multiple positions in their careers.
2. Where did the All Pro information come from? I have always wanted a source of that info, and the only one I was aware of online was the All NFL info at football.about.com. But now I think I don't understand the difference between All Pro selections and All NFL selections... as an example, your 1991 All Pro team lists 7 CBs, but the 1991 All NFL team at about.com lists 3. Can you explain this?
3. You mentioned that you'll be adding back some things. I assume that will include the postseason data as well as the stuff you mentioned. Is that correct?
Keep up the great work!
Am I missing the team box score data? Has it been published on the website yet?