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College Bowl Pool Madness: Contest inside
I've got a good friend that is a big college football fan and a pretty snazzy programmer. Let's call him "Doug". Every year, "Doug" conducts a college bowl pool that's half for fun, and half so he can create a nerdy webpage. Here at PFR we'll be running the bowl pool for you guys, too, so feel free to join in on the fun and geekiness. The prizes are:
75 sponsorship bucks for 1st place
30 sponsorship bucks for 2nd place
20 sponsorship bucks for 3rd place
As for the rules, well, here's the e-mail "Doug" sent out every year:
There are 32 bowl games. For each game, one team will be designated the favorite and one team will be designated the underdog. In some games, the underdog will be designated a "longshot." The list is below, along with a sample entry.
Step #1: pick a winner for each game (straight up).
Step #2: group your picks into groups of 1, 2 or 3, subject to the condition that a group of two must have at least one underdog and a group of one must be a longshot.
To get credit for a group, ALL teams in the group must win. Whoever gets the most groups wins. Tiebreaker is whoever picks the most total games correctly (ignoring groups). [NOTE: I think there's a decent chance that the tiebreaker will come into play; that's part of the strategy.]
THE GAMES (listed chronologically):The favorite is listed first in each game, and note that the favorite/underdog/longshot designations are set in stone. Whatever happens between now and gameday is irrelevant.
Utah / Navy
Florida Atlantic / Memphis
Cincinnati / Southern Miss <---- USM is a longshot
New Mexico / Nevada
BYU / UCLA
Boise State / East Carolina <----- ECU is a longshot
Purdue / Central Michigan
Texas / Arizona State
TCU / Houston
Boston College / Michigan St.
Oregon State / Maryland
Wake Forest / UConn
Central Florida / Miss. St.
Penn State / Texas A&M
Alabama / Colorado
Cal / Air Force
South Florida / Oregon
Georgia Tech / Fresno St.
Kentucky / Florida State
Oklahoma State / Indiana
Clemson / Auburn
Tennessee / Wisconsin
Missouri / Arkansas
Texas Tech / Virginia
Florida / Michigan <------ Michigan is a longshot
USC / Illinois <------ Illinois is a longshot
Georgia / Hawaii <------ Hawaii is a longshot
Oklahoma / West Virginia
Virginia Tech / Kansas
Rutgers / Ball State
Tulsa / Bowling Green
LSU / Ohio StateHere is what a sample entry should look like:
Air Force / Kentucky (AF is a dog)
Auburn / Missouri (Auburn is a dog)
Boise / Ok.St. / Tulsa
Illinois (longshot)
West Virginia / LSU (WVU is a dog)
etc.
etc.You should have exactly 32 teams listed, one from each game. This entry would get a point if Air Force AND Kentucky win. It would get a point if Boise, Ok. State, and Tulsa ALL win. It would get a point if Illinois wins. And so on.
If you wish to participate in the ***Official PFR College Bowl Pool***, please do the following:
- Be extremely clear on who your picks are. There are three OSUs, two Techs, and lots of other possibilities for ambiguity. Any team that is not identified in a 100% crystal clear manner will be counted as a loss.
- We will not be auditing the entries very carefully as they come in. Winners will of course be audited, but it is your responsibility to make sure your entry is legal.
- Thursday at 9PM EST tomorrow is the first game. All entries must be submitted by then.
My analysis
With 64 possible winners and a near infinite number of permutations, I don't think you can ever come close to finding the optimal strategy. Tomorrow I'll list my actual picks and reasoning, but today I want to do some meta-analysis. What sort of strategy should we have, roughly?
I'll start off by giving scathing criticism of "Doug". I don't agree with his first premise, which is "pick a winner for each game straight up". Let me give my proof:
Let's suppose there are six bowl games, and twelve teams with potential chances to win a game. If a team has a 40% chance of winning, we'll name the team .40U, and its opponent, .60F. Let's assume the twelve teams in the game are: 0.20U, 0.25U, 0.3U, 0.35U, 0.4U, 0.45U, 0.55F, 0.60F, 0.65F, 0.70F, 0.75F and 0.80F. "Doug's" strategy would have us taking the six favorites in two groups -- which two groups?
If you put the three strongest favorites (0.80F, 0.75F and 0.70F) in one group, they have a 42% chance of winning all three games and earning you a point. Your other group would have 21% chance of winning all three games and earning you a point. Compare that to say, putting together 0.80F with 0.60F and 0.55F -- you'd have a 26% chance of winning all three games in that group, and a 34% chance of winning the other group. The odds of both groups winning, however, is identical no matter how you divide the groups. (Do you see why?)
But what about the odds of getting one group to win?
0.55 0.55 0.60 0.80 0.65 0.60 0.70 0.75 0.75 0.70 0.80 0.65 2 win 0.09 0.09 1 win 0.45 0.43 0 win 0.46 0.48
This should make an important strategy clear: a small, but clear, edge can be found by placing your strongest favorites together. So once you decide (ignoring the longshots for now) which favorites you want, you now know how to group them.
Now, on to why I think "Doug" is being shortsighted at best, and downright crooked at worst. Picking the teams you think to win isn't a winning strategy. Why? Let's pick the three obvious underdogs -- 0.35U, 0.40U and 0.45U -- and match them with the three obvious favorites. Once again, we have the question of how should we match them up?
Group 1 0.45 0.45 0.80 0.70 Group 2 0.40 0.40 0.75 0.75 Group 3 0.35 0.35 0.70 0.80 Grp1 % 0.3600 0.3150 Grp2 % 0.3000 0.3000 Grp3 % 0.2450 0.2800 3 win 0.026 0.026 2 win 0.190 0.187 1 win 0.445 0.441 0 win 0.338 0.345
The difference here is almost infinitessimal, and certainly too close considering our degree of precision in predicting the games. But as a mathematical principal, we'd be maximizing our chances of winning by placing our strongest favorite with our strongest underdog, our second strongest favorite with our second strongest underdog, and so on.
Note that we now have two rules, neither of which are complicated, despite their complicated proofs. Match up strong favorites with strong favorites, and match up strong favorites with strong underdogs. You might implicitly think matching up a strong favorite/weak underdog and strong underdog/weak favorite might make you more likely to win both, but that's not true.
While the strong underdog/strong favorite strategy produces minimal benefit over a random pairing of underdogs/favorites, note how it compares to the other strategy. If you pick all winners first -- which would be the six favorites, of course -- you have a 9% chance of winning 2 groups and a 45% chance of winning one group. By pairing up strong underdogs with strong favorites, the contest rules allow you to have a 2.6% chance of winning 3 groups (vs. a 0% chance), a 19% chance of winning two groups (vs. a 9% chance) and a 44.5% chance of winning 1 group (vs. a 45.4% chance of winning 1 group). So it's quite clear: picking strong favorites/strong underdogs is a dominant strategy over picking all favorites.
With that out of the way, we have to deal with the pesky issue of "longshots". The value of getting an entire group if you correctly pick a longshot is huge. And really, the cost isn't that high: you miss out on a win by a favorite, but unless two other favorites or the underdog attached to the favorite wins, no harm, no foul. (Do you see why?) But just as obviously, the strategy can't be "pick all longshots". There has to be some line where the reward is not justified by the risk. Where is that line?
Assume three bowl games. Longshot-BigFavorite (LS-BF), Underdog-Favorite and Underdog-Favorite. We have two choices: two groups (longshot; underdog/favorite) or one group (three favorites). Let's assume that both underdogs have a 40% chance of victory. What percent chance would the longshot need to have to make the two group (longshot) option a good one? Let's start off with say, 20%:
LS BF F F U F 0.20 0.80 0.60 0.60 0.40 0.60 2 wins 0.05 0.00 1 win 0.34 0.29 0 win 0.61 0.71
It's clear that the longshot is going to to better even at 20%, because it is more likely to get one win and has a small (but non-zero) chance of obtaining two. What about at 10%?
LS BF F F U F 0.10 0.90 0.60 0.60 0.40 0.60 2 wins 0.02 0.00 1 win 0.29 0.32 0 win 0.68 0.68
That one's pretty close -- we get rough equilibrium if the longshot has only a 10% chance, and the other two favorites have 60% chances. If we bump the other two favorites up to 70%...
LS BF F F U F 0.10 0.90 0.70 0.70 0.30 0.70 2 wins 0.02 0.00 1 win 0.27 0.44 0 win 0.71 0.56 1
Now it's clear that you should choose the three favorites. So our choice of whether we want to go with the longshot or the favorites is not going to be an easy one. If we bump the longshot back up to 20% but keep the other two favorites at 70%, picking the favorites is still more likely to help you avoid a goose-egg.
Hopefully this exercise gets you thinking a bit about how to make your picks. Please make them in the posts below, and all entries submitted before 9PM tomorrow night will be valid.
This entry was posted on Wednesday, December 19th, 2007 at 1:39 am and is filed under BCS, College. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. Both comments and pings are currently closed.

Okay I'll be the first to submit (I think). I have no idea if this is a good strategy, and so, combined with the fact that I don't particularly follow college football (other than the fact that the Bearcats are going to win by 20+ so pick USM at your peril), this is bound to be a winner
Michigan (longshot)
Illinois (longshot)
Cincinnati / Auburn (dog)
Rutgers / Memphis (dog)
Boise St / Indiana (dog)
Georgia / Ariz. St (dog)
Kentucky / Miss. St (dog)
Purdue / Nevada (dog)
So. Florida / Colorado (dog)
Utah / Wisconsin (dog)
Georgia Tech / Arkansas (dog)
Oregon St / Houston (dog)
BYU / BGSU (dog)
Texas Tech / Air Force (dog)
Virginia Tech / Texas A&M (dog)
Wake / West Virginia (dog)
Boston College / Ohio St (dog)
Here's my picks:
USC / Kentucky / LSU
LSU / Tulsa / TCU
Cincinnati / Auburn
Boise State / Arizona State
Florida / Memphis
Georgia / Miss. St.
Rutgers / UConn
Purdue / Nevada
Utah / Kansas
Oklahoma / Arkansas
South Florida / Wisconsin
Georgia Tech / Air Force
Penn State / Colorado
Texas Tech / Michigan State
BYU / Houston
Oregon State / Bowling Green
Sorry, it can be assumed that all the second teams in a line are dogs
Ok, this is probably worse than what my wife could do; picking based on colors, but for better or worse...here ya go.
Hawaii (Longshot)
Nevada (Woof) / Colorado (Woof)
Wisconsin (Woof) / Air Force (Woof)
Bowling Green (Woof) / Ohio State (Woof)
Florida State (Woof) / Navy (Woof)
Florida Atlantic / Auburn (Woof)
South Florida / Texas / Central Florida
Wake Forest / Missouri / Penn State
Virginia Tech / Georgia Tech / Texas Tech
Oklahoma / Boston College / TCU
Oregon State / BYU / Cincinnat
USC / Bosie State / Rutgers
Purdue / Oklahoma State / Florida
Scott, I think you need to re-read the rules again. Feel free to re-submit. Pairs of two can be one dog/one favorite, and groups of three must be all favorites. So if you want to pick a dog, you don't need to match them up with another dog.
Ok thanks. Presenting my new masterpiece.
Hawaii (Longshot)
New Mexico / Bowling Green (Bark)
Kentucky / Ohio State (Bark)
Alabama / Air Force (Bark)
Tennessee / Navy (Bark)
Florida Atlantic / Auburn (Bark)
South Florida / Texas / Central Florida
Wake Forest / Missouri / Penn State
Virginia Tech / Georgia Tech / Texas Tech
Oklahoma / Boston College / TCU
Oregon State / BYU / Cincinnat
USC / Bosie State / Rutgers
Purdue / Oklahoma State / Florida
USC / Arizona St
Cincinnati / Auburn
Boise State / Florida St
Florida / Memphis
Rutgers / Nevada
Utah / Connecticut
Purdue / Miss St
Georgia / Arkansas
Oklahoma / Mich St
BYU / Air Force
South Florida / Tennessee
Penn St / Houston
Texas Tech / Fresno St
Oregon St / Indiana
Alabama / Bowling Green
LSU / Kansas
Hawaii (longshot)
Utah / Purdue / USC [all favorites]
Cincinnati / South Florida / Texas Tech [all favorites]
Boise State / Penn St. / GA Tech [all favorites]
Wake / Cal / Clemson [all favorites]
Kentucky / OK St. / Missouri [all favorites]
BYU / Mississippi St. (underdog)
TCU / The Ohio St. (underdog)
Oregon St. / Arizona St. (underdog)
Florida / Wisconsin (underdog)
VA Tech / West Virginia (underdog)
Rutgers / Nevada (underdog)
Tulsa / Memphis (underdog)
Colorado (underdog) / Michigan St. (underdog)
(it's legal to pair 2 dogs, right?)
Yes Brad, it's legal to pair two dogs.
Kentucky/Cincinnati/Florida
Utah/TCU/Boise
Southern Cal/Ore St/Purdue
Tx Tech/New Mex/Rutgers
Georgia/Okie State/Alabama
Fla Atlantic/Kansas (dog)
Oregon (dog)/Central Florida
Bowling Green (dog)/Missouri
Arizona St (dog)/Clemson
Oklahoma/California/Ga Tech
Ohio State (dog)/Tennessee
Penn State/Michigan State (dog)
U Conn (dog)/BYU
USC/Georgia/Cincinnati
BYU/New Mexico/Utah
East Carolina (longshot)
Michigan (longshot)
Missouri/Colorado
Texas Tech/Kansas
Penn State/Indiana
Oklahoma/Ball State
Tulsa/Memphis
Purdue/Wisconsin
California/Arizona State
Wake Forest/Florida State
Oregon State/Michigan State
Auburn/Mississippi State
TCU/Ohio State
South Florida/Fresno State
All second teams listed in two team groups are underdogs.
No clue if I'm doing this right...
Oklahoma/Kentucky/USC (favorites)
South Florida/Utah/Boise St (favorites)
Florida Atlantic/Missouri/Penn State (favorites)
Hawaii (longshot)
Cincinnati/Mississippi St (dog)
New Mexico/Colorado (dog)
BYU/Arizona St (dog)
Boston College/Air Force (dog)
Florida/Wisconsin (dog)
Purdue/Kansas (dog)
LSU/Indiana (dog)
Oregon St/Virginia (dog)
Rutgers/Fresno St (dog)
Wake Forest/Houston (dog)
Clemson/Bowling Green (dog)
Cincinnati/Utah/Boise St.
Florida/Southern Cal/TCU
Georgia/Missouri/Rutgers
Oklahoma St./Florida Atlantic/BYU
Purdue/Arizona St.
South Florida/Kansas
New Mexico/Ohio St.
Oklahoma/Fresno St.
Texas Tech/Air Force
Clemson/Michigan St.
Penn St./Connecticut
Tennessee/Bowling Green
Alabama/Mississippi St.
Kentucky/Maryland
The groups of three are all favorites. The groups of two list the favorite first and the dog second.
USC / Florida State
Cincinnati / Memphis
Florida / Nevada
Boise State / Arizona State
Rutgers / UConn
Purdue / Wisconsin
Utah / Auburn
Georgia / Arkansas
Oklahoma / Miss. St
South Florida / Michigan St.
Georgia Tech / Colorado
Texas Tech / Air Force
BYU / Kansas
Penn State / Indiana
Oregon State / Ohio State
Tulsa / Houston
Where's my nerdy webpage!!!!
Hey Dan,
The painstaking data entry process is finally done. I'm sending this in to Doug now, and he should be able to get it LIVE pretty soon.
Two notes:
1) There will likely be some mistakes in my entry. Please alert me to them -- your score obviously won't be affected. So if I accidentally gave you Navy instead of Oregon State, just write it here and we'll fix it pretty quickly.
2) I still didn't do a check to make sure all the entries were "legal", but we'll worry about that at the end.
So yeah, everyone please give their entry a once over when Doug posts the page to see if there are any errors.
Couple of issues, and my resolutions:
1. Carey has LSU twice. I'm just going to kill the second group that includes LSU.
2. Dennis has a two-favorite group: South Florida and Tennessee. It's out.
Web page coming soon. Stay tuned....
To anyone who happens to be reading this and wishing you had gotten in before the deadline,Feel free to submit an entry any time, as long as it includes all the teams that have lost their games prior to the time stamp on your entry. [You will also be charged with a loss on any game in progress at the time of your entry]
Offer rescinded.
I'm actually kind of surprised that more people did not submit entries - it seems like a pretty cool little game.
Or maybe the intersection of geeks and college football fans is smaller than I think?
Follow the action here. Updated daily, except when I'm traveling. However, the "Peeking Ahead" feature of the page should mean that you're covered even on travel days.
Enjoy.
Here are my (late) picks. Hopefully, I handled the Utah/Navy game properly.
Navy (dog) / Wake Forest -> already a loss
Hawaii (longshot)
Memphis (dog) / Tennessee
Florida St. (dog) / TCU
Nevada (dog) / Oregon St.
Michigan St. (dog) / Tulsa
Auburn (dog) / Texas
Ohio State (dog) / Kansas
Miss St. (dog) / Georgia Tech
Florida / Penn St. / Oklahoma
Boise St. / Rutgers / South Florida
USC / Texas Tech / Missouri
BYU / Cal / Alabama
Cincinnati / Purdue / Oklahoma St.
Looks good to me, Ross. I'll get you added shortly. (BTW, are you the Ross I think you are?)
So, first off, the nerdy webpage is everything I ever hoped for and more. A few questions - is 10,000 enough simulations to have an accurate "guess"? As it stands (after Utah / navy)
DanM averaged 4.60 groups per trial and won 11.2 pct of the trials
But looking at the 2 "peek-ahead" pages
Memphis DanM averaged 4.58 groups per trial and won 11.6 pct of the trials
Fl. Atl DanM averaged 4.59 groups per trial and won 11.5 pct of the trials
I guess that's just within sampling error, but it seems odd that if Florida Atlantic wins (a team I *didn't* pick), I come out better than if Memphis wins.
I *heart* nerdery
Hmmm, yeah, something is wrong there. I'm pretty sure the main page is right. But the peek ahead pages are wrong.
Sit tight.
OK, it's all fixed up now (I think). Give it a look.
Alright, it just occurred to me that being able to look at all the entries is an advantage, so I shouldn't let any more entries in. I'm going to allow Ross's because (1) he was just minutes after the original page was posted and (2) the original page was wrong anyway.
But we're closed as of now.
Doug - I'm pretty sure I'm not the Ross you're thinking of. Ross is actually my last name which I used for simplicity because my first name is Doug, too
Also, I didn't look at that page you posted until after I submitted my picks. If I win anything, feel free to give to the next person in line anyway. I'm just playing for fun, anyway! I have no need for "sponsorship bucks".
OK then, Ross. There's always room for more Rosses.
Congrats to JKL, who has now won every contest ever organized by the p-f-r blog.
Second place = Hedgehog
Third place = Ross (with the handicap, no less)
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